Jul 2, 2020·1 reply
Jim HalpertWhy can’t the US be more like those places? (Without saying it’s too big)
Too much divide in class, wealth and land are the biggest reasons I would say. Switzerland and Finland is mostly white people who make around the same amount of money so its a lot easier to govern that kind of rule. Also they barely have any military so they get a lot more money in spending which is thanks to the fact that we are going to protect them if s*** goes down.
OPJul 2, 2020·1 reply
jg33y'all really say anything huh
when you rent out someone's place you are engaging in a voluntary exchange
when landlords violate their contracts and break the law that's when its f***ed, but you're the one living on their property :
When the choice is between renting or being homeless this is not a voluntary exchange
Jul 2, 2020·edited·1 replystingrayExplain to me how the Soviet Union was the most technologically advanced country then, Mr. Venture Capital Who Knows Economics
according to who?
the Soviet Union themselves?
Jul 2, 2020jg33y'all really say anything huh
when you rent out someone's place you are engaging in a voluntary exchange
when landlords violate their contracts and break the law that's when its f***ed, but you're the one living on their property :
It's not voluntary if it's your only option
- Jul 2, 2020hot pancakes· edited
according to who?
the Soviet Union themselves?
Jul 2, 2020·1 replyhot pancakesit’s not conservative talking points, it’s economic theory talking points.
entrepreneurs do drive innovation, it’s like, if you have 300+ million people who can, at any point in time, think of any kind of product or innovation, then you have a way better chance of coming up with something great as opposed to 10-20 people in higher governmental positions.
and people can definitely think of and develop a product at any point in time, and even distribute individually if they sell independently (create their own website, advertise, sell product off of it)
the only issue is, when they get bigger, than yes, they will most likely need capital investment from investors, or find a distributor, but no matter what, they are still able to do any of that. And it’s a product, they, the individual created. Not some government idea
And then let’s say they hit it big and expand, then they hire employees, and boom, you’ve just created x amount of jobs for people.
in order for an economy to sustain realistically, you need jobs to constantly be created. the government, as one entity, simply cannot handle the jobs for 300+ million people
edit; as a matter of fact, as a socialist or communist, you should welcome entrepreneurship/ innovation, because as schumpeter said, capitalism is too efficient. constant innovations will cause it to destroy itself, leading to socialism (which he did not what to happen but that’s besides the point lol)
Fam unregulated markets gave us the biggest pandemic of our lifetimes leading to conditions that are eerily similar to the great depression.
and on why do you assume only government would be responsible for innovation? what would stop anyone from innovating if there weren't any open markets? I mean the soviets mostly beat the west in the space race without open markets. the wheel wasn't invented in an open market nor was the typingpress/- Jul 2, 2020PleaseDelete
Switzerland
It is incredibly expensive over there. yah but a great place to live in is always expensive lol
just look at Cali or NY here
- Jul 2, 2020·2 repliesSynopsis
When the choice is between renting or being homeless this is not a voluntary exchange
you don't have a right to live on someone's property
- Jul 2, 2020·1 replyjg33
you don't have a right to live on someone's property
Man, you are too far gone
- OPJul 2, 2020·1 replyjg33
you don't have a right to live on someone's property
So you admit it's not voluntary
I'm not saying you have a right to live on someone's property
I'm saying people shouldn't be allowed to own property for profit
- Jul 2, 2020TheGreatGameLord
Man, you are too far gone
ok
- Jul 2, 2020·1 replyThuggerBaby
Too much divide in class, wealth and land are the biggest reasons I would say. Switzerland and Finland is mostly white people who make around the same amount of money so its a lot easier to govern that kind of rule. Also they barely have any military so they get a lot more money in spending which is thanks to the fact that we are going to protect them if s*** goes down.
What are we getting out of this
Banking?
- Jul 2, 2020·1 replySynopsis
So you admit it's not voluntary
I'm not saying you have a right to live on someone's property
I'm saying people shouldn't be allowed to own property for profit
who should own the property then?
Jul 2, 2020·1 replySynopsisyou would just make a law insuring no rent/mortgages. im not exactly sure how it would work but there's nothing to say it couldnt happen
I’m trying to understand what’s the point of you making this thread if you don’t know how we can solve this issue. You did the same thing with the prison thread. It’s like yeah, all this things can work but only after a bunch of other stuff taking place in your ideal society.
Why don’t just make a thread explaining how your ideal society looks like? People would have a better understanding of where you’re coming from.
- OPJul 2, 2020·1 replyjg33
who should own the property then?
The people in a democratic fashion
- Jul 2, 2020
Oblivion XWhat I'm saying is what is going to stop the community from devolving to what he have here ?
Because this structure implies that there is a means of production without corporations, what is that means?
again there are minds who are better suited to explain these things than I am
- Jul 2, 2020·edited·2 replies
broke communist bois that’s just something we Americans can’t relate to
- OPJul 2, 2020·1 replyDVLPR
I’m trying to understand what’s the point of you making this thread if you don’t know how we can solve this issue. You did the same thing with the prison thread. It’s like yeah, all this things can work but only after a bunch of other stuff taking place in your ideal society.
Why don’t just make a thread explaining how your ideal society looks like? People would have a better understanding of where you’re coming from.
I'm saying I don't know the nuances of how abolishing landlords would work under capitalism
- Jul 2, 2020·1 replySynopsis
The people in a democratic fashion
can you elaborate on that idea? I just feel like it's really broad.
- Jul 2, 2020·1 replyFundamentals
broke communist bois that’s just something we Americans can’t relate to
Couldn’t have anything to do with massive causalities from WW2 and active suppression of communism by every major capitalist power
- Jul 2, 2020·1 replyjg33
y'all really say anything huh
when you rent out someone's place you are engaging in a voluntary exchange
when landlords violate their contracts and break the law that's when its f***ed, but you're the one living on their property :
But is there agency in that transaction? sure enough your voluntarily signing the lease agreement, but the alternative is homelessness, it's hardly a voluntary decision.
- Jul 2, 2020Jim Halpert
What are we getting out of this
Banking?
UN support mostly. The USA gets to govern the world the way they want to. You can say they shouldn't have to, but if they didn't someone else will, and that someone may be far worse.
- Jul 2, 2020·edited·1 replyBri10
Fam unregulated markets gave us the biggest pandemic of our lifetimes leading to conditions that are eerily similar to the great depression.
and on why do you assume only government would be responsible for innovation? what would stop anyone from innovating if there weren't any open markets? I mean the soviets mostly beat the west in the space race without open markets. the wheel wasn't invented in an open market nor was the typingpress/oh don’t get me wrong, I’m not for completely unregulated markets, I think the government should intervene to keep corporations and other entities in check where need be, but I also believe there should be some form of freedom and ability for monetary gain when you come up with a good product.
I think people should be allowed to own and operate business and grow as they see fit, provided the government will step in when things get unfair / out of hand. Currently today, they are supposed to, I acknowledge they don’t, but that’s more of a political issue with lobbying and corporations dumping money into the pockets of government officials (which I am completely against)
And as far as the wheel and typing press, I’ll agree with you there to an extent, but in today’s society, we are so comfortable we don’t have the real need to develop anything to ensure survival. So people need some sort of reward for their risk taking when developing a product, and that chance of success makes some people think the risk of entrepreneurship is worth it
