Apr 10, 2022·2 replies
blondedhttps://www.gse.harvard.edu/news/uk/21/04/effect-spanking-brain
https://www.apa.org/monitor/2012/04/spanking
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3447048/https://doi.apa.org/doiLanding?doi=10.1037%2Ffam0000191
"...Meta-analyses focused specifically on spanking were conducted on a total of 111 unique effect sizes representing 160,927 children. Thirteen of 17 mean effect sizes were significantly different from zero and all indicated a link between spanking and increased risk for detrimental child outcomes. Effect sizes did not substantially differ between spanking and physical abuse or by study design characteristics."
Is this like a 15 year study where they process the growth and development of the kid after they get spanked?
Cuz not sure how else U can measure trauma and emotions
Apr 10, 2022·edited·1 replySouloYou were for sure abused, s*** like that is not okay.
A now and then pop on the ass is not the to the same degree of what you just said, which is where I think the discourse is coming from and even then i’m not advocating for popping/whooping children obviously I’d like people to find better ways but if it comes down to it and they have to get physical I’m not gonna act like they’re a bad parent because of it
UNLESS they’re out here doing this kind of s***, this isn’t discipline at allIf you love and raise your kids to respect you, you are never going to need to get physical. Consider it usually starts when parents early on start yelling their kids name at them or screaming “no!” when they are toddlers when they take keys and do s***, the mental effect of associating their name with being bad and such before they even understand words fully. There’s so much psychological things with childhood development that parents need to understand before trying to raise their kids inexperienced and on “gut instinct”. Because you gotta understand that violence with kids was so normalized in the past that gut instinct essentially would TELL you that u needed to pop and wail on ur kids/wife because that was the norm. Be better than how you FEEL like you should parent and take the time to learn how to be a good parent as if your kids deserve more than whatever s*** u decide in emotional moments is necessary.
Apr 10, 2022
bartoliniWtf yall even talk about
People defending child abuse itt
Apr 10, 2022·2 repliesABCDEFExcept, again, he was the one who kept bringing up his own kids, repeatedly,
that's not an "except" that's just an "and", and it's meaningless because the point is that he was tryn dead a conversation bout personal s*** n u in all ur internet freedom was like idc bout gettin way too personal over people i don't know, im poppin off!
wack s***
- Apr 10, 2022SaintJitterxburgFL
It’s not abuse idk what else to tell u. What I got was not abuse.
It is abuse. There are so many forms of abuse and everybody has been abusive to somebody else at some point in their lives.
It might not have ruined your life, you might see no downside but it is abusive to spank your child. And it leaves many unseen mental wounds to many.
Apr 10, 2022·1 replyblondedi hate to be this guy but i took a class on child developmental psychology last semester and i'm in a class right now about the psychological effects of child abuse and maltreatment
spanking is universally decried bro. there is no academic support for it. the APA, pediatric association, etc. do not support it
"it is not possible to draw causal conclusions. Second, a limitation that is common to the corporal punishment literature (Gershoff & Grogan-Kaylor, 2016), is that it was not possible to measure the severity of spanking or identify the person who spanked the child, which are factors that may relate to different developmental outcomes. Third, we assessed spanking using child report, which could involve under-reporting"
srcd.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/pdf/10.1111/cdev.13565
This is a common limitation in almost all the studies I read bout corporal punishment
And this is an excerpt from the abstract of the mentioned study
"Whether spanking is helpful or harmful to children continues to be the source of considerable debate among both researchers and the public"
it's pretty heavily debated
- Apr 10, 2022Delete this now· edited
If you love and raise your kids to respect you, you are never going to need to get physical. Consider it usually starts when parents early on start yelling their kids name at them or screaming “no!” when they are toddlers when they take keys and do s***, the mental effect of associating their name with being bad and such before they even understand words fully. There’s so much psychological things with childhood development that parents need to understand before trying to raise their kids inexperienced and on “gut instinct”. Because you gotta understand that violence with kids was so normalized in the past that gut instinct essentially would TELL you that u needed to pop and wail on ur kids/wife because that was the norm. Be better than how you FEEL like you should parent and take the time to learn how to be a good parent as if your kids deserve more than whatever s*** u decide in emotional moments is necessary.
He has problems and it doesn't seem like he'd hesitate on taking it out on his kids
Apr 10, 2022ABCDEFAgain, you haven’t responded but if they are doing s*** that bad they need some type of behavioral therapy you nimrod.
therapy
- Apr 10, 2022·2 repliesfrenchpress
that's not an "except" that's just an "and", and it's meaningless because the point is that he was tryn dead a conversation bout personal s*** n u in all ur internet freedom was like idc bout gettin way too personal over people i don't know, im poppin off!
wack s***
Or maybe, he shouldn’t be trying to use his kids in rhetorical arguments to win internet points and then gladly say how he’d abuse them when they are older!
- Apr 10, 2022SaintJitterxburgFL
Is this like a 15 year study where they process the growth and development of the kid after they get spanked?
Cuz not sure how else U can measure trauma and emotions
If you are truly interested please read the links suggested and look into this on your own.
- Apr 10, 2022·2 repliesABCDEF
Or maybe, he shouldn’t be trying to use his kids in rhetorical arguments to win internet points and then gladly say how he’d abuse them when they are older!
that's not an "or" either, because he told you like 4x at this point that That was his prob with you and why he was tryn to get you to stop
maybe you shouldnt be usin his kids in rhetorical arguments to win internet points either bro
"gladly say how he'd abusve them when they are older!" there you are, doin it in this very post 
- Apr 10, 2022·1 replyOblivion X
"it is not possible to draw causal conclusions. Second, a limitation that is common to the corporal punishment literature (Gershoff & Grogan-Kaylor, 2016), is that it was not possible to measure the severity of spanking or identify the person who spanked the child, which are factors that may relate to different developmental outcomes. Third, we assessed spanking using child report, which could involve under-reporting"
https://srcd.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/pdf/10.1111/cdev.13565
This is a common limitation in almost all the studies I read bout corporal punishment
And this is an excerpt from the abstract of the mentioned study
"Whether spanking is helpful or harmful to children continues to be the source of considerable debate among both researchers and the public"
it's pretty heavily debated
this is literally in the abstract of the article you linked me
"Children who were spanked exhibited greater activation in multiple regions of the medial and lateral prefrontal cortex (PFC), including dorsal anterior cingulate cortex, dorsomedial PFC, bilateral frontal pole, and left middle frontal gyrus in response to fearful relative to neutral faces compared to children who were not spanked. These findings suggest that spanking may alter neural responses to environmental threats in a manner similar to more severe forms of maltreatment."
Apr 10, 2022SaintJitterxburgFLIs this like a 15 year study where they process the growth and development of the kid after they get spanked?
Cuz not sure how else U can measure trauma and emotions
Bro these were peer reviewed and published scientific journals can you just accept that maybe you’re not informed enough on this topic since your entire argument has stemmed from your personal experiences
Apr 10, 2022Kodak weird af man
All women should be protected from this f***ing weirdo
Apr 10, 2022·1 replyOh this inspired that post i see
@Bow_And_Arrow- Apr 10, 2022·1 replyfrenchpress
that's not an "or" either, because he told you like 4x at this point that That was his prob with you and why he was tryn to get you to stop
maybe you shouldnt be usin his kids in rhetorical arguments to win internet points either bro
"gladly say how he'd abusve them when they are older!" there you are, doin it in this very post Dude is a f***ing narcissist
- Apr 10, 2022·edited·1 reply
@americana @Abcdef and all the others acting like a little whooping is VIOLENCE prob got traumatized by Will’s slap on Chris
- Apr 10, 2022·1 replyfrenchpress
that's not an "or" either, because he told you like 4x at this point that That was his prob with you and why he was tryn to get you to stop
maybe you shouldnt be usin his kids in rhetorical arguments to win internet points either bro
"gladly say how he'd abusve them when they are older!" there you are, doin it in this very post Okay, it’s clear that you aren’t coming from a place of good faith in this argument at all.
He brought up his own kids, provided a hypothetical future example where he’d hit them, and I’m supposed to say “hey that s***s normal?”
F*** off, I’ll call out abusers and abusive behavior any time I see it.
- Apr 10, 2022crinewinedining· edited
@americana @Abcdef and all the others acting like a little whooping is VIOLENCE prob got traumatized by Will’s slap on Chris
Will did the right thing
- Apr 10, 2022Scratchin Mamba
Oh this inspired that post i see
@Bow_And_ArrowWay too many child abuse sympathizers itt
Apr 10, 2022blondedhttps://www.gse.harvard.edu/news/uk/21/04/effect-spanking-brain
https://www.apa.org/monitor/2012/04/spanking
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3447048/https://doi.apa.org/doiLanding?doi=10.1037%2Ffam0000191
"...Meta-analyses focused specifically on spanking were conducted on a total of 111 unique effect sizes representing 160,927 children. Thirteen of 17 mean effect sizes were significantly different from zero and all indicated a link between spanking and increased risk for detrimental child outcomes. Effect sizes did not substantially differ between spanking and physical abuse or by study design characteristics."
even Harvard research article comments have the same level of discourse as KTT
The study looked at 147 children, including some who were spanked and some who were not spanked in the beginning years of their lives, to see potential differences to the brain. By using MRI assessment, researchers observed changes in brain response while the children viewed a series of images featuring facial expressions that indicate emotional response, such as frowns and smiles. They found that children who had been spanked had a higher activity response in the areas of their brain that regulate these emotional responses and detect threats — even to facial expressions that most would consider non-threatening.
i wonder what the tells are in those MRIs, must be something significant in terms of activity measurement
- Apr 10, 2022·2 repliesblonded
this is literally in the abstract of the article you linked me
"Children who were spanked exhibited greater activation in multiple regions of the medial and lateral prefrontal cortex (PFC), including dorsal anterior cingulate cortex, dorsomedial PFC, bilateral frontal pole, and left middle frontal gyrus in response to fearful relative to neutral faces compared to children who were not spanked. These findings suggest that spanking may alter neural responses to environmental threats in a manner similar to more severe forms of maltreatment."
I know it's against child spanking which is what I said lol. It's a study against child spanking that acknowledges the limitation in their conclusion
- Apr 10, 2022
GIO GIObro calling people people pussies for arguing against child abuse or for not getting abused as a kid I swear I've seen it all on this site
- Apr 10, 2022·1 reply
dozens of peer reviewed journals and f***ing common sense - hey don't hit kids
people with mental health issues - I'm gonna beat my kids and I hope you do too! - Apr 10, 2022ABCDEF
Or maybe, he shouldn’t be trying to use his kids in rhetorical arguments to win internet points and then gladly say how he’d abuse them when they are older!
I’m not trying to use my kids for s***, you the one who kept saying i’m abusive, i’m a bad parent etc. I’m a great f***ing dad and I love my son more than anything in this world, so what you not gon do is act like he’s in some kind of danger being with me or that he’s gonna grow up to have trauma or some bullshit.