Fax lmao

How could anyone even begin to think this?

yeah I agree with you, 4:44 is one of the realest albums of all time, HOV had a lot to talk about and he didnt put any filler or commercial songs on it. Album comes off as very natural, nothing feels forced, its Jay speaking his s***, pouring his soul out. Maybe he can gives us something similar in 5 years but for now I'd prefer he doesnt force anything like in MCHG.

4:44 is better

No-id came through for hov more than hit boy did for nas.

do people prefer king's disease to life is good now

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It's a more unified and cohesive album. But I understand ppl who argue LIG had higher highs.

and is the narrative that 4:44 is 'realer' and deeper than everything in Hov's career true? didn't feel like that way to me as someone who's heard his whole discography

yeah, highs can be important tho. in this era especially, it's about those tracks that hook you in to keep coming back to an album. i usually get one stuck in my head then end up playing a whole project. I still go back to some life is good songs

He had some more introspective songs here and there, but for the most part braggadocious rap and s*** talking were his bag.

4:44 pretty much rebranded him as a more mature and conscious artist.

i've seen him as both. a lot of the people i spoke to when that album dropped seemed to acknowledging the artist they'd been to lazy to hear the whole time.

hov could probably write about anything, people just hear the overplayed hits more than the lost one, this can't be life, where i'm from type verses. he's the same guy imo, a year before 4:44 dropped he did D*** Dealers Anonymous (crazy underrated song) and All the Way Up Remix. So he's still using every side to him

Agreed

Nas speaking way more real relatable s*** on King’s Disease then Jay on 444

There were some songs, but BP3 and MCHG felt like cheap attempts to maintain his relevancy. Those albums were so short sighted in terms of artistic vision. Hov was turning into a caricature of himself, and then No I.D. saved him.

that's what makes it the worse Hov period. the awkward mainstream songs would be tolerable for Hov fans if they came with some deep cuts that had substance, like Kingdom Come was a miss but had lost one

WTT was between those two albums tho and he was more versatile on that. Murder to Excellence and New Day are way above anything on MCHG. And on the mainstream songs on that album like Otis and Paris he sounded natural again. Maybe the throne sound having the same things in it as his old sound but updated for the modern era helped a lot. Had soul again, which no-Id took to it's purest level again for him.

Nah but Life Is Good >>> 4:44

30 years into their careers and Jay and Nas are giving us classics. I wish I could say the same for Em and Wayne, but their latest albums are s***. The ones before them were too and the albums before those are as well. Damn...

It's him at his most transparent and revealing as a whole imo.

Carter 5 was a fantastic album. Stop capping

give me funeral, d6, d6 reloaded and c5 over EIL and MCHG. wayne could have another creative peak in him but maybe he just wants to make the music that's been so important and influential from him, rather than maturing

nas and jay had misses this decade too

Everything is Love > Wayne's last 10 years

MCHG > Wayne's discography (with the exception of C2 & C3)

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it's the most concentrated on that definitely, it only really breaks from that style once or twice. but idk if it's him doing it the best he's done it. it does have a lot of good songs tho like marcy me, 4:44, adnis, smile