i could do that if you really want me to but instead i'll just say that Cole would only have 1 in there.

but again, i'm only one me. now say we extended it to a KTT-wide poll. we'd get some results, sure. that's still not indicative of much in my opinion. the scale is way too large.

whether we're ranking individual songs, or albums as a whole, I still have damn at #1 on my personal list.

again, this is too vague for me. why is it better music? what about it makes it better? that's where categorization comes in.

obviously i'm being super technical about this. but that's just not something that everyone would agree upon so i think it needs to be a little deeper than "clearly makes better music."

ASAP RICKY has always been an ignorant. Like I respect his opinion, but you can tell he should listen to more music lol

I've literally never seen you in any thread bro, who the f*** are you

I feel like Kanye is the only mainstream artist that can really compete with Kendrick musically well at least 2010-2016 Kanye SOLO that is not counting KSG

Love. been on repeat

Very strong L.A. 70s and The Stylistics influence

and I, and many many others can potentially agree with all of this. fair points.

but, that "personally" is key.

whats your top 5?

personally I'd rank DAMN just behind TPAB but its close. Only song I skip is Duckworth but its still a great song objectively.

Radiohead - OK Computer
Pink Floyd - The Dark Side of the Moon
Kendrick Lamar - DAMN.
Miles Davis - Kind of Blue
Kanye West - Yeezus

Actually I have 2 rap albums in there

genuine question pls don't spaz.

you don't think there's anything wrong with saying "best influenced beatles song we've heard in years" or just really broad-reaching statements similar to that? how would you know you've heard all of the "influenced beatles" songs? you've heard every hip hop song with triadic chords?

idk. i think to claim to have strong musical knowledge is to acknowledge that there's way too much music out there to be knowledgable about. tongue twister lol

Damn dog he said you need to listen to more music cuz. Basically called you a child and he the daddy.. you just gonna take that?

Damn > GKMC

All of Kendricks albums are leagues above both of their discographies. He’s in a league of his own.

I feel like UU and s80 are obviously at the bottom of his list, but besides that, I don't think there's a kendrick album that is better than the other ones. It's all up to your taste.
My favorite is obviously DAMN, but I don't think TPAB is a worse album. He dropped 3 studio albums for different audiences.

Gkmc is more like a traditional hip hop record, Tpab is more jazz/funk influenced, and DAMN is more black rock/LA soul influenced, giving the impression that it is more "accessible"

Because in terms of impact, influence, respect and just actually listening to Radiohead's best work, you can tell it is superior to anything Coldplay has done, artists that, like Drake, have routinely been mocked and considered meh by just about anywhere you look online.

If you think Drake is better than Kendrick because people enjoy dancing to his songs at the club then does that not set a precedent that quality = popularity?

I think you confuse preference for who is objectively a better musician. Just one listen to TPAB and you can tell an album like that was made by someone who thought a lot more about the project he wanted to make, took far more risks musically, and also clearly put a lot more thought into the lyrics and the themes than anything Drake has done, who often falls into the same old songs about money and hoes. One can say Drake attempts to make up for it in his catchy bars and melodies, but after some point, you do have to wonder how you can routinely praise an artist that has never gone past just making something for young people to dance to using the same old formula and say he is a better artist than someone who changes his ideas, style, and sound with each release.

I mean Kendrick has time and time again proven he can make catchy rap tracks that hit with the public with songs like Humble, Swimming Pools, Maad City. He can get on hit songs for artists ranging from Travis to Maroon 5 and usually have it be a hit. He can literally make a song like Alright which connects with an entire political movement in the country, literally having protesters chant his hooks on the streets. So I just don't really see what Drake has over him besides the fact that he has repeated his successful formula a lot more than him and stat padded his resume as a result.

yea true

Ye dropped MBDTF as his fifth so Kenny better bring the heat and I don't doubt he will tbh

imagine if he drops another 96/100 on MC...

solid

Imagine if Kendrick was born 2100 years ago, he would take Jesus place

ps I am not disrespectful at all

Exactly, there is no big 3

Kendrick is alot better then them

Big 1

i appreciate all that you wrote here.

"i think you confuse preference for who is objectively a better musician" i think you confused me. i never did this. actually my entire line of questioning has been trying to get to the bottom of whether it can indeed be an objective thing at all or not.

throughout my posts i have also made the conscious decision to avoid making any particular case about Kendrick, Drake, or Cole (whom you seem to have left out, shocker) being wholly and objectively better than the other two. again, that would go against my entire thesis.

now. in your 3rd paragraph you began to list some of the attributes that you believe Kendrick possesses that pushes him past his counterparts in terms of their artistry. and maybe we can agree on some of those attributes. but i guess my point remains that whenever this discussion is had it's gotta be much more layered than "kendrick/drake/cole is CLEARLY better" and the responses will always vary because...well...subjectivity.

word.

yessir

i lied. it's the same ol discussion as the last million times lol