Sep 28, 2024·2 repliesthegreatdivineThis logic is very silly. You don't stop being a superstar because 1 album era didn't have mega hit singles or move a ton of units.
How many then? Drake has had 4 projects in a row (fatd, clb, herloss, hnvm) that didn't hit my "superstar" level
He can easily bring it back by making an album that's suited for the mainstream though, none of the above 4 tried to be mainstream friendly imo
The only superstars to me right now are
Harry Styles
Morgan
Taylorthen weeknd, travis, drake, sza, coldplay etc are on the level below
- Sep 28, 2024·edited·2 replies
TheFaderYou’ve lost the plot. Weeknd & Drake are absolutely both superstars.
Drake’s 2018 is comparable to Weeknd’s 2020/2021.
Just because those guys are not at their commercial peaks anymore that doesn’t mean they aren’t still superstars
Cmon man lol Drake's 2018 was 2-3x bigger globally (the whole world) than Weeknd's 2020/2021.
& yeah to me when a superstar drops, the internet/world stops to listen. Weeknd/Drake don't fit that anymore imo.
- Sep 28, 2024·edited·2 replies
FlukiestFaunWait hold on… you’re meaning to say The Weeknd isn’t a superstar? LMAOOOOO this might be ur worst take yet, and that says a lot
Yeah I have a much higher standard for superstar. It just feels wrong to me to label early 2000s Eminem, 2000s Beyonce, 80s/90s MJ superstars & then say current age Weeknd/Drake are superstars. There's a very, very large gap there to me. Lets be honest lol. early 2000s eminem was probably 3x, 4x, 5x bigger than current FATD era Drake.
- Sep 28, 2024·1 replymangotflu
Cmon man lol Drake's 2018 was 2-3x bigger globally (the whole world) than Weeknd's 2020/2021.
& yeah to me when a superstar drops, the internet/world stops to listen. Weeknd/Drake don't fit that anymore imo.
You are the most annoying, dumbest and attention seeker person on this whole website
- Sep 28, 2024·edited·1 replyHurry Up Lefkol
You are the most annoying, dumbest and attention seeker person on this whole website
Because I think MJ being in the same bucket as Weeknd and current era Drake is dumb? Lol. You sound insecure
- Sep 28, 2024
drake couldve had some motion if carti cleared No Face
- Sep 28, 2024·edited·2 repliesmangotflu
How many then? Drake has had 4 projects in a row (fatd, clb, herloss, hnvm) that didn't hit my "superstar" level
He can easily bring it back by making an album that's suited for the mainstream though, none of the above 4 tried to be mainstream friendly imo
The only superstars to me right now are
Harry Styles
Morgan
Taylorthen weeknd, travis, drake, sza, coldplay etc are on the level below
In Sports, in Hollywood and in Fashion, an individual/brand doesn't stop being major simply because a product/project they put out wasn't as successful as their most successful so why are you applying that logic to musicians?
Being a superstar transcends just the numbers you're able to put up with your projects. It refers to your overall pull, power and popularity within any given space.
For musicians, that doesn't simply end because you put out projects that aren't as successful as your most successful. Using the numbers an artist put up at their commercial peak as the expectation for everything they drop moving forward is dumb. No one stays at that height forever. It doesn't mean they still aren't superstars.
Drake has been the bestselling rapper every year since 2015 and has been a top 3 bestselling artist overall since then as well. He just went on a tour that's the biggest rap tour of all time and only had to play 80 shows to get there. He's been a top 10 consumed artist globally every year since 2015. Someone who isn't a superstar isn't doing that.
Going by your logic, the second an artist doesn't put up numbers that rival their biggest numbers, they stop being superstars. Even you have to see how dumb that logic is.
Sep 28, 2024·2 repliesthegreatdivine· editedIn Sports, in Hollywood and in Fashion, an individual/brand doesn't stop being major simply because a product/project they put out wasn't as successful as their most successful so why are you applying that logic to musicians?
Being a superstar transcends just the numbers you're able to put up with your projects. It refers to your overall pull, power and popularity within any given space.
For musicians, that doesn't simply end because you put out projects that aren't as successful as your most successful. Using the numbers an artist put up at their commercial peak as the expectation for everything they drop moving forward is dumb. No one stays at that height forever. It doesn't mean they still aren't superstars.
Drake has been the bestselling rapper every year since 2015 and has been a top 3 bestselling artist overall since then as well. He just went on a tour that's the biggest rap tour of all time and only had to play 80 shows to get there. He's been a top 10 consumed artist globally every year since 2015. Someone who isn't a superstar isn't doing that.
Going by your logic, the second an artist doesn't put up numbers that rival their biggest numbers, they stop being superstars. Even you have to see how dumb that logic is.
Bruh said Harry Styles a bigger superstar and that Weeknd and Drake are not superstars
what are we doing right now lmaoo- Sep 28, 2024·editedValentine
Bruh said Harry Styles a bigger superstar and that Weeknd and Drake are not superstars
what are we doing right now lmaooSeems like he's going by the "you're only as big as the last thing you did" philosophy, which is deeply flawed. There are like 10 legit active superstars in music right now and I rate people who have been successful for a really long time much higher than people who blew up 2-3 years ago because it's much harder to keep this s*** going over an extended period of time.
He can think whatever he wants. I just believe his logic is flawed.
- Sep 28, 2024·1 replymangotflu
Cmon man lol Drake's 2018 was 2-3x bigger globally (the whole world) than Weeknd's 2020/2021.
& yeah to me when a superstar drops, the internet/world stops to listen. Weeknd/Drake don't fit that anymore imo.
No he was not
- Sep 28, 2024mangotflu
How many then? Drake has had 4 projects in a row (fatd, clb, herloss, hnvm) that didn't hit my "superstar" level
He can easily bring it back by making an album that's suited for the mainstream though, none of the above 4 tried to be mainstream friendly imo
The only superstars to me right now are
Harry Styles
Morgan
Taylorthen weeknd, travis, drake, sza, coldplay etc are on the level below
Some of the worst logic I’ve ever encountered
- Sep 28, 2024
Biggest debut for both of them we back
- Sep 28, 2024·2 replies
Sep 28, 2024mangotfluBecause I think MJ being in the same bucket as Weeknd and current era Drake is dumb? Lol. You sound insecure
Are you putting current Taylor and Harry Styles up there with MJ?
Sep 28, 2024mangotfluYeah I have a much higher standard for superstar. It just feels wrong to me to label early 2000s Eminem, 2000s Beyonce, 80s/90s MJ superstars & then say current age Weeknd/Drake are superstars. There's a very, very large gap there to me. Lets be honest lol. early 2000s eminem was probably 3x, 4x, 5x bigger than current FATD era Drake.
I actually agree with you here. If we talking about true superstar runs I think Taylor now and Bad Bunny few years ago had it. I don’t even think Wallen fits that globally. He is a domestic superstar though.
- Sep 28, 2024·1 replymangotflu
Yeah I have a much higher standard for superstar. It just feels wrong to me to label early 2000s Eminem, 2000s Beyonce, 80s/90s MJ superstars & then say current age Weeknd/Drake are superstars. There's a very, very large gap there to me. Lets be honest lol. early 2000s eminem was probably 3x, 4x, 5x bigger than current FATD era Drake.
Essentially what you’re saying is that 2009 Eminem wasn’t a superstar because he wasn’t as big as he was in the early 2000s.
That’s what makes absolutely no sense.
Once you reach that level, it’s not a “what have you done for me lately” kinda thing
- Sep 28, 2024·2 repliesTheFader
No he was not
you think
Blinding Lights
Save Your Tearswas as big as
Sicko Mode
In My Feelings
God's Plan
Nonstop
Nice For What
WAlk It Talk It
MIA
Going Bad
Look Alivewot?
- Sep 28, 2024·1 replyTheFader
Essentially what you’re saying is that 2009 Eminem wasn’t a superstar because he wasn’t as big as he was in the early 2000s.
That’s what makes absolutely no sense.
Once you reach that level, it’s not a “what have you done for me lately” kinda thing
i wouldn't say 2009, he still had the world in his palm, but 2014~ yeah I think he had lost his superstar status by then
What u guys are saying is like saying Britney Spears & U2 are still superstars, it just feels wrong to me
- Sep 28, 2024·2 repliesValentine
Bruh said Harry Styles a bigger superstar and that Weeknd and Drake are not superstars
what are we doing right now lmaooHarry's last 2 albums were way more popular than DRake's last 2 & Weeknd's last 2. That's my point
SWAN 💜Sep 28, 2024thegreatdivinethank god I can like this song now
- Sep 28, 2024·edited·1 replythegreatdivine
In Sports, in Hollywood and in Fashion, an individual/brand doesn't stop being major simply because a product/project they put out wasn't as successful as their most successful so why are you applying that logic to musicians?
Being a superstar transcends just the numbers you're able to put up with your projects. It refers to your overall pull, power and popularity within any given space.
For musicians, that doesn't simply end because you put out projects that aren't as successful as your most successful. Using the numbers an artist put up at their commercial peak as the expectation for everything they drop moving forward is dumb. No one stays at that height forever. It doesn't mean they still aren't superstars.
Drake has been the bestselling rapper every year since 2015 and has been a top 3 bestselling artist overall since then as well. He just went on a tour that's the biggest rap tour of all time and only had to play 80 shows to get there. He's been a top 10 consumed artist globally every year since 2015. Someone who isn't a superstar isn't doing that.
Going by your logic, the second an artist doesn't put up numbers that rival their biggest numbers, they stop being superstars. Even you have to see how dumb that logic is.
It's not about the artist compared to their own peak, its about the artist compared to the current peak of the game. The goal of any musician is to have their music actually listened to, if you're failing at that with your new releases I don't see how you can be a superstar still, you've become a legacy act.
Coldplay/Ed Sheeran etc are in that bucket for sure, their new music literally gets less than 10% of the hype it used to get 10 years ago. Their tours are still huge because people are going to listen to music that they dropped over a decade ago.
It's also not about ur last album, but the last 2-3 for me
but again when I talk about this s*** I think I'm just comparing it too much to pre 2010 music, where these musicians were just far more popular than any of these current ones
- Sep 28, 2024·1 replymangotflu
you think
Blinding Lights
Save Your Tearswas as big as
Sicko Mode
In My Feelings
God's Plan
Nonstop
Nice For What
WAlk It Talk It
MIA
Going Bad
Look Alivewot?
Considering the fact that Blinding Lights alone is one of the biggest songs ever recorded, yes, yes I do
- Sep 28, 2024mangotflu
i wouldn't say 2009, he still had the world in his palm, but 2014~ yeah I think he had lost his superstar status by then
What u guys are saying is like saying Britney Spears & U2 are still superstars, it just feels wrong to me
Eminem is an artist in year 25 who is still managing to clear 275K+ first week
He is absolutely still a superstar