Oct 12, 2023·2 replies
Bobby_96I think it's hit or miss. There's shows he's selling out while there's others he had to cancel.
I definitely don't think he has enough crossover appeal to have a high grossing tour or justify his ticket prices but he has his markets that he's really popular in.
it's just crazy cuz like all these dudes be breaking these streaming records but then in IRL the engagement be hit or miss like you said.
That's all why we was tryna say in the other thread and folks got upset lol
- Oct 12, 2023
yungkingYeah that s*** was crazy lol
Everyone wanted him to be the next guy until he dropped a mid album and he never recovered since
which is wild and shows you how f***ed music consumption got cuz i feel like you were able to recover from s*** like that back in the day
Oct 12, 2023·1 reply
shaleiroseMaybe not. Bad Bunny hasn’t done super well on the Hot 100 this year, Drake should have a real chance at a second #1 if the album holds well
I meant #1 album. UVST was very consistent on the album chart last year.
- Oct 12, 2023·1 reply
925AndrewArianna feature dropped this year though
The song was already #7 on the Hot 100 the week before that remix dropped
Oct 12, 2023·1 replyyungkingI think Lil Baby suffered the same effect Roddy Ricch had, they both came up and did big numbers with their singles and features.
So everybody streamed their debut until the hype wore off when their music didn’t evolve.
My Turn is not Lil Baby debut
- Oct 12, 2023Bobby_96
B-But streaming is more reflective of people's tastes than the pre-steaming era.
These streaming stans gonna change their tune when Lil Baby goes Diamond around 2026 and people scratch their head wondering what impact the album had outside that Summer Protest anthem he had.
My Turn is one of those albums where you play the full thing and not just the meme songs, controversial songs, and dance songs.
- Oct 12, 2023GKMC
My Turn is not Lil Baby debut
Still, one hot album and a bunch of duds after that
- Oct 12, 2023shaleirose
It definitely is.
But a month ago @thegreatdivine and other posters ITT were acting like it was guaranteed he would occupy the entire Top 10, and called me crazy when I said it wouldn’t happen and he would get 8-9 spots at most
I said that back when we thought the album would be dropping on September 22 and I said if the album was mostly rap, it'd happen. Stop leaving s*** out, man lol.
Drake delayed his album by 2 weeks and that's 2 weeks PTTR had to make significant radio gains and Drake dropped an album that unlike CLB, has a lot more R&B songs than rap songs. There you have it.
- Oct 12, 2023·edited·2 repliesshaleirose
Any great, classic level album pre-streaming was being revisited for years, but repeat listens didn’t translate to more sales.
That’s why streaming is a little bit flukey, because it creates a never ending amount of “sales” when really it’s just people listening to the music they love.
If an album like Graduation got additional sales every time someone played the CD in their cars or played it from their iTunes from 2007-2016, pre-streaming, the album would undoubtedly be Diamond by now. But since that wasn’t the case before streaming, the album is still not Diamond
Graduation and other 2000s/early 2010s albums are actually benefitting the most from streaming.
They got millions of album sales AND are still relatively recent classics so they are now getting millions more units with streaming.
Streaming era albums did not get millions of album sales first, and pre-21st century albums generally are too old too really do damage on streaming unless they're absolutely GOAT classics (MJ, Beatles, Fleetwood Mac)
If streaming was as prevalent in 2007 as now, Graduation wouldn't have done 900k first week to begin with and it wouldn't have sold anywhere near 3 million total pure. People would have been STREAMING it instead. It would've spent years accumulating units at a slower pace with streaming. So stop the nonsense on it would have much higher numbers today.
- Oct 12, 2023SegaDreamFlash
I thought it was 2022 it dropped?
Oh could be my point was the feature isn’t 7 years old
- Oct 12, 2023shaleirose
The song was already #7 on the Hot 100 the week before that remix dropped
That is true I guess that’s the power of tik tok but I think the remix is why it’s #5 on the overall chart
- Oct 12, 2023·edited·2 repliesiHype
Graduation and other 2000s/early 2010s albums are actually benefitting the most from streaming.
They got millions of album sales AND are still relatively recent classics so they are now getting millions more units with streaming.
Streaming era albums did not get millions of album sales first, and pre-21st century albums generally are too old too really do damage on streaming unless they're absolutely GOAT classics (MJ, Beatles, Fleetwood Mac)
If streaming was as prevalent in 2007 as now, Graduation wouldn't have done 900k first week to begin with and it wouldn't have sold anywhere near 3 million total pure. People would have been STREAMING it instead. It would've spent years accumulating units at a slower pace with streaming. So stop the nonsense on it would have much higher numbers today.
That doesn’t change what I said though.
If pre-streaming albums had the benefit of never ending, longterm sales via plays, then we’d see a lot more albums from that era nearing Diamond status.
You said it’s harder for albums to go Diamond now because you have to be replaying an album for years for that to happen, but people have ALWAYS replayed albums they loved for years, it’s just that pre-streaming those years of extra plays didn’t translate to more sales.
The idea that pre-streaming albums would’ve sold less if they released in the streaming era is complete hearsay, there’s literally nothing to back that up as fact. What is fact is that people have been playing classic albums for years upon years before streaming, but those extra plays did not equal more sales the way they do now with streaming equivalent units
- Oct 12, 2023·1 replyshaleirose
That doesn’t change what I said though.
If pre-streaming albums had the benefit of never ending, longterm sales via plays, then we’d see a lot more albums from that era nearing Diamond status.
You said it’s harder for albums to go Diamond now because you have to be replaying an album for years for that to happen, but people have ALWAYS replayed albums they loved for years, it’s just that pre-streaming those years of extra plays didn’t translate to more sales.
The idea that pre-streaming albums would’ve sold less if they released in the streaming era is complete hearsay, there’s literally nothing to back that up as fact. What is fact is that people have been playing classic albums for years upon years before streaming, but those extra plays did not equal more sales the way they do now with streaming equivalent units
As I said if Spotify/Apple were as prevelant in 2007 as today, Graduation wouldn't have SOLD the pure sales it sold.
You're suggesting it would've sold the same with Spotify/Apple around, then had streaming on top of it.
It would've done much lower in its initial run, and would've sold at a slower pace but for a longer time. It would still relatively be getting to around what it did today.
We been in the streaming era for like 8 years now, and no album yet to go Diamond off streaming. Regardless, albums still take forever to get huge units in streaming.
Graduation is also going to end up going Diamond eventually regardless. It's near 7 million and is getting revivals, it'll probably be there in 5 years or so.
- Oct 12, 2023·1 replyiHype
As I said if Spotify/Apple were as prevelant in 2007 as today, Graduation wouldn't have SOLD the pure sales it sold.
You're suggesting it would've sold the same with Spotify/Apple around, then had streaming on top of it.
It would've done much lower in its initial run, and would've sold at a slower pace but for a longer time. It would still relatively be getting to around what it did today.
We been in the streaming era for like 8 years now, and no album yet to go Diamond off streaming. Regardless, albums still take forever to get huge units in streaming.
Graduation is also going to end up going Diamond eventually regardless. It's near 7 million and is getting revivals, it'll probably be there in 5 years or so.
That’s not what I said at all.
Nowadays an album comes out, people buy it or stream it the first week, and then the first week numbers come out. Great.
Then, for the months and years that people continue to LISTEN to the album, the album continues to accumulate sales via streaming equivalent units, even if no one is actually buying the album anymore.
You said that nowadays it’s harder for albums to reach Diamond status because people have to listen to an album for years for it to reach that.
My point was that if we saw a similar system in the pre-streaming era, where every time someone played a CD or spun a vinyl or pressed play on an album they bought on iTunes they would receive additional sales, then we would see albums from that era go Diamond even more often than they did, because people have ALWAYS played albums they loved for years.
What I said has nothing to do with if streaming existed back in 2007.
- Oct 12, 2023·2 repliesshaleirose
That’s not what I said at all.
Nowadays an album comes out, people buy it or stream it the first week, and then the first week numbers come out. Great.
Then, for the months and years that people continue to LISTEN to the album, the album continues to accumulate sales via streaming equivalent units, even if no one is actually buying the album anymore.
You said that nowadays it’s harder for albums to reach Diamond status because people have to listen to an album for years for it to reach that.
My point was that if we saw a similar system in the pre-streaming era, where every time someone played a CD or spun a vinyl or pressed play on an album they bought on iTunes they would receive additional sales, then we would see albums from that era go Diamond even more often than they did, because people have ALWAYS played albums they loved for years.
What I said has nothing to do with if streaming existed back in 2007.
Still a comparison that isn't really thought out past face value.
1 album sale is equal to 1,000+ streams. You realize how many times you gotta play an album for 1,000+ streams???
The average person is NOT listening to each album they ever bought 1,000+ times.
Therefore the average sale is a person's listening getting counted for more than it probably would be on a streaming basis (which makes sense because they got revenue upfront from a sale regardless of how much they listen).
Someone buys an album, plays the songs from it 50 times total. That is still counted equivalent to 1,000+ streams.
The majority of sales are not being 'limited', they're being 'inflated' because nobody is listening to every album they buy 1,000+ times. Maybe your 2 or 3 most favorite albums yes, but not just every regular degular purchase you make. The average person who bought albums overall had their listening counted much more than it would be on a streaming basis.
- Oct 12, 2023·1 replyiHype
Still a comparison that isn't really thought out past face value.
1 album sale is equal to 1,000+ streams. You realize how many times you gotta play an album for 1,000+ streams???
The average person is NOT listening to each album they ever bought 1,000+ times.
Therefore the average sale is a person's listening getting counted for more than it probably would be on a streaming basis (which makes sense because they got revenue upfront from a sale regardless of how much they listen).
Someone buys an album, plays the songs from it 50 times total. That is still counted equivalent to 1,000+ streams.
The majority of sales are not being 'limited', they're being 'inflated' because nobody is listening to every album they buy 1,000+ times. Maybe your 2 or 3 most favorite albums yes, but not just every regular degular purchase you make. The average person who bought albums overall had their listening counted much more than it would be on a streaming basis.
Even if it was cumulative in the way that it’s cumulative with streaming, the point still stands. Streaming measures a different metric than pure sales do which is why I think the two amounts should be separate categories
Oct 12, 2023·1 replyKayTrayI meant #1 album. UVST was very consistent on the album chart last year.
The new Bad Bunny won't outsell FATD week #1 or maybe even week 2, but over the course of a few months it probably will. He's a very consistent performer sales wise.
- Oct 12, 2023shaleirose
Even if it was cumulative in the way that it’s cumulative with streaming, the point still stands. Streaming measures a different metric than pure sales do which is why I think the two amounts should be separate categories
Right, but the way the music industry measures success is based mostly on revenue.
1,500~ streams or whatever, makes similar revenue to 1 album sale.
Thus if they wanna know the most successful albums right now... they gonna compare streaming on a ratio based on revenue.
Even if it doesn't look 'fair' compared to sales only being counted once, the reality is, every time you replay an album they get more revenue. It's a per play basis. Any other way of comparing is distorting which albums actually are the biggest success for labels at the moment.
Oct 12, 2023When are the final numbers
Oct 12, 2023The wild thing is I really thought that hnvm was just a fluke due to being left field and then I was like with her loss a Collab album that's why, but s*** really just the new normal now. Crazy how quick things can switch up.
- Oct 12, 2023·2 repliesiHype
Still a comparison that isn't really thought out past face value.
1 album sale is equal to 1,000+ streams. You realize how many times you gotta play an album for 1,000+ streams???
The average person is NOT listening to each album they ever bought 1,000+ times.
Therefore the average sale is a person's listening getting counted for more than it probably would be on a streaming basis (which makes sense because they got revenue upfront from a sale regardless of how much they listen).
Someone buys an album, plays the songs from it 50 times total. That is still counted equivalent to 1,000+ streams.
The majority of sales are not being 'limited', they're being 'inflated' because nobody is listening to every album they buy 1,000+ times. Maybe your 2 or 3 most favorite albums yes, but not just every regular degular purchase you make. The average person who bought albums overall had their listening counted much more than it would be on a streaming basis.
this why I said the (kinda wild) take that Adele's a fraud lol
Aunties n moms n grandmas buy her albums in bulk at christmas to give out as gifts then those s***s sit on the shelf getting a listen once a year
Again this is perhaps another crazy take but I'm pretty sure Drake's music has been listened to more than Adele's in the last 15 years, sadly there's no way to track that tho lol
I would even go as far to say Adele wouldn't even be a top 5 artist measured by that metric.
Oct 12, 2023·1 replyshaleiroseThat doesn’t change what I said though.
If pre-streaming albums had the benefit of never ending, longterm sales via plays, then we’d see a lot more albums from that era nearing Diamond status.
You said it’s harder for albums to go Diamond now because you have to be replaying an album for years for that to happen, but people have ALWAYS replayed albums they loved for years, it’s just that pre-streaming those years of extra plays didn’t translate to more sales.
The idea that pre-streaming albums would’ve sold less if they released in the streaming era is complete hearsay, there’s literally nothing to back that up as fact. What is fact is that people have been playing classic albums for years upon years before streaming, but those extra plays did not equal more sales the way they do now with streaming equivalent units
Those albums have that benefit now. If streaming was a thing back then it would be less diamond albums not more.
- Oct 12, 2023iHype
Graduation and other 2000s/early 2010s albums are actually benefitting the most from streaming.
They got millions of album sales AND are still relatively recent classics so they are now getting millions more units with streaming.
Streaming era albums did not get millions of album sales first, and pre-21st century albums generally are too old too really do damage on streaming unless they're absolutely GOAT classics (MJ, Beatles, Fleetwood Mac)
If streaming was as prevalent in 2007 as now, Graduation wouldn't have done 900k first week to begin with and it wouldn't have sold anywhere near 3 million total pure. People would have been STREAMING it instead. It would've spent years accumulating units at a slower pace with streaming. So stop the nonsense on it would have much higher numbers today.
Oct 12, 2023mangotfluthis why I said the (kinda wild) take that Adele's a fraud lol
Aunties n moms n grandmas buy her albums in bulk at christmas to give out as gifts then those s***s sit on the shelf getting a listen once a year
Again this is perhaps another crazy take but I'm pretty sure Drake's music has been listened to more than Adele's in the last 15 years, sadly there's no way to track that tho lol
I would even go as far to say Adele wouldn't even be a top 5 artist measured by that metric.
- Oct 12, 2023mangotflu
this why I said the (kinda wild) take that Adele's a fraud lol
Aunties n moms n grandmas buy her albums in bulk at christmas to give out as gifts then those s***s sit on the shelf getting a listen once a year
Again this is perhaps another crazy take but I'm pretty sure Drake's music has been listened to more than Adele's in the last 15 years, sadly there's no way to track that tho lol
I would even go as far to say Adele wouldn't even be a top 5 artist measured by that metric.
NWTS was downloaded 10 million times illegally or something like that
Rap has always suffered from consumption