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  • Oct 11, 2023
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    orangetcovid

    Lmao that's what bayou clearly insinuated. 23 songs with no features woulda sold the same

    No I didn’t insinuate that at all.

    And that’s not true whatsoever, high profile features benefit ANY artist, no matter who you are.

    Most of Drake’s biggest songs this decade all have features:

    Jimmy Cooks
    Laugh Now Cry Later
    Rich Flex
    Knife Talk
    Way 2 Sexy
    Wants and Needs
    Girls Want Girls

  • Oct 11, 2023
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    shaleirose

    THANK YOU.

    That is the difference between pop music and rap music nowadays.

    Pop artists tend to have smaller first week numbers with much better longevity, and rap artists tend to have huge first week numbers but very short lived chart success.

    Obviously there are exceptions in both groups, but some people on this site don’t seem to grasp that difference

    Acting like the difference — pop radio — isn't the inherent problem between pop hits and rap hits being able to exist is funny

    Rap hits are able to stabilize when pop radio picks them up to some capacity, which means white people have to like the song or have been influenced to like it

    With the re-emergence of stronger pop stars like Billie and ORod, white girls stopped consuming as much rap than say the 2016-2019 era

  • Oct 11, 2023
    shaleirose

    This is just blatantly untrue man, Weeknd has way more hardcore fans than damn Summer Walker. You can’t base everything on raw first week numbers, especially for artists of different genres

    You can't be a hardcore fan if you not listening to the artist's music first week though surely

  • Oct 11, 2023
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    quadra

    Acting like the difference — pop radio — isn't the inherent problem between pop hits and rap hits being able to exist is funny

    Rap hits are able to stabilize when pop radio picks them up to some capacity, which means white people have to like the song or have been influenced to like it

    With the re-emergence of stronger pop stars like Billie and ORod, white girls stopped consuming as much rap than say the 2016-2019 era

    I never said there isn’t a REASON for the difference, I’m just acknowledging the existence of the difference, which people on here tend to ignore

  • Oct 11, 2023

    tried our best is a top 10 drake track

  • Oct 11, 2023
    shaleirose

    I never said there isn’t a REASON for the difference, I’m just acknowledging the existence of the difference, which people on here tend to ignore

    It exists for sure
    There's benefits for doing different genres

  • Oct 11, 2023
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    underwhelming sales and negative reception (5/10 is the general consensus)

    there's always next album cycle tho. hope he makes a comeback

  • Oct 11, 2023
    Black Smoke

    underwhelming sales and negative reception (5/10 is the general consensus)

    there's always next album cycle tho. hope he makes a comeback

    5/10 been the "general consensus" for every drake album since views lol
    s***s never changing unless he comes w/ a pure rap album

  • Oct 11, 2023
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    FATD is about to become the 5th album ever to post 500 million US streams in a week, 4/5 are drake albums. this isn’t a flop by any means. nobody besides drake, taylor swift and morgan wallen (his album did 498 million streams) are doing those numbers.

    also taylor having 5 albums in the top 20 is insane

  • Oct 11, 2023
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    YoungKobe

    Utopia
    Day 4:
    Global: 56.2 Million
    USA: 20.8 Million

    Global Total: 319.4 Million
    USA Total: 121.6 Million

    FatD
    Day 4:
    Global: 52 Million
    USA: 24.4 Million

    Global Total: 283.4 Million
    USA Total: 140.9 Million

    Utopia
    Day 5:
    Global: 49.7 Million
    USA: 19 Million

    Global Total: 369.1 Million
    USA Total: 140.6 Million

    FatD
    Day 5:
    Global: 46.9 Million
    USA: 22.5 Million

    Global Total: 330.3 Million
    USA Total: 163.4 Million

  • Shabazz999

    FATD is about to become the 5th album ever to post 500 million US streams in a week, 4/5 are drake albums. this isn’t a flop by any means. nobody besides drake, taylor swift and morgan wallen (his album did 498 million streams) are doing those numbers.

    also taylor having 5 albums in the top 20 is insane

    Yeah anyone saying this is a flop needs to start paying attention to the actual numbers instead of going by social media. They did the same thing with Honestly Nevermind and it ended up crossing 1 billion streams on Spotify alone after 1 month and had 3 top 10 Billboard hits

  • Oct 11, 2023
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    jack johnson

    KTT always trying to downplay The Weeknd's success for some reason 😭

    It's probably because he didn't settle with being only a Drake-adjacent act making music for a specific crowd and instead became a massive global popstar

    And we know people here have a vendetta against pop music ("mall music", "soccer mom music", etc)

    His song being constantly popular for years is because of "casuals that are listening to playlists" not because it's a smash hits and one of the biggest songs of the decade so far

    I agree this site always tries to downplay Abel but I will say it's sad and says a lot that all the people that listened to Blinding Lights didn't really show up for his next album. I don't think Abel is the massive global popstar we thought he'd become if he struggles to outsell f***ing Gunna of all people...

    Bundles are back so hopefully he can drop a huge hit and get back to being at least Drake adjacent or somewhat close

  • Oct 11, 2023
    The Darkest Angel

    I agree this site always tries to downplay Abel but I will say it's sad and says a lot that all the people that listened to Blinding Lights didn't really show up for his next album. I don't think Abel is the massive global popstar we thought he'd become if he struggles to outsell f***ing Gunna of all people...

    Bundles are back so hopefully he can drop a huge hit and get back to being at least Drake adjacent or somewhat close

    “I don't think Abel is the massive global popstar we thought he'd become if he struggles to outsell f***ing Gunna of all people”

    Like you said, global popstar. Fortunately, Gunna outselling him in the US has nothing to with his global success, hits and stadium tour.

  • Oct 11, 2023
    YoungKobe

    Utopia
    Day 5:
    Global: 49.7 Million
    USA: 19 Million

    Global Total: 369.1 Million
    USA Total: 140.6 Million

    FatD
    Day 5:
    Global: 46.9 Million
    USA: 22.5 Million

    Global Total: 330.3 Million
    USA Total: 163.4 Million

    It’s crazy that Travis and Drake are not that much apart in terms of popularity now.

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    the reception to this album seems to have shaken him up more than anything before it. he’s officially reached the crossroads that all of the GOATs before him have and im sure he knows it

    his next moves will be the most important of his career

  • jynth

    the reception to this album seems to have shaken him up more than anything before it. he’s officially reached the crossroads that all of the GOATs before him have and im sure he knows it

    his next moves will be the most important of his career

    He’s about to drop his Donda

  • Oct 11, 2023
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    Is O-Rod’s second era kind of a dud or are these numbers in line with her last one?

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    Black Smoke

    underwhelming sales and negative reception (5/10 is the general consensus)

    there's always next album cycle tho. hope he makes a comeback

    "hope he makes a comeback" Number one album and occupying most of the billboard hot 100

    ok man

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    PlayboyR

    "hope he makes a comeback" Number one album and occupying most of the billboard hot 100

    ok man

    Lmfaooo ppl really don’t know what a flop is

  • Oct 11, 2023
    trunkstt

    Lmfaooo ppl really don’t know what a flop is

    the word choice is jokes

  • Oct 11, 2023
    deleteduser579

    sales posters have no dignity, imagine arguing that a physical copy of some media is a gimmick, let alone constantly discounting physical sales, just so your pet favorite artist stands a chance against the niggas that are actually making motion on your metric

    it would be funny if it wasn’t so sad

    Funny thing too is that, when you bring up how Lil Baby still has the best selling rap album this decade in streams, they switch up the whole argument about streaming.

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    quadra

    What's it called when you had to buy an album outright cause you liked the one single you heard on the radio

    Sounds like passively consuming the other songs to me, if you even listened

    My man.....I remember when C3 came out right in the middle of the Great Recession.

    Nobody had money like that and gas prices were as crazy as they were today but Wayne still sold a milli fw in hard copies and people got really invested in the album due to spending their hard earned money on the purchase even while struggling.

    I know you're gonna simp for streaming cause of Drake but it's still apples and oranges. Spending money on an album back then even if it was based on the singles showed more dedication to the artist than streaming, of which a good number involves curiosity streams.

    I'm not even arguing that the pre-streaming era was better. But it took more dedication for someone to head out to the stores and spend their hard earned money on an album.

    Because of the lack of dedication it takes to stream, it's harder than ever before for artists who blew up in the 2020's to maintain successful careers in the music industry and even Billboard themselves noted this.

    billboard.com/pro/record-labels-adjust-expectations-pop-stars

  • Oct 11, 2023
    BRAVE

    And yes streaming music is passive consumption. Sorry to break that to y’all lol, but people buying physical copies in an era where you absolutely don’t have to is a direct sign of higher dedication to an artist and a genuine love of their art. No other way to slice it (cause they wouldn’t be purchasing if they didn’t love the music in the first place, which is something glossed over in this topic)

    The funny thing is buying physical copies is actually passive consumption.

    Basically in 2023 it's akin to merch bundles. Fans who buy merchandise of an artist because they like them and want to decorate their room (like buying a poster back in the day).

    Vast majority of people who buy Vinyl literally hang it up as decoration and NEVER actually even play the Vinyl. They hang it up, then go on Spotify/Apple and stream the album.

    Actually like half the ppl who buy Vinyl don't even own a f***ing Vinyl player too. There's actual numbers behind this I can find too.

    Most cars, laptops, etc in 2023 don't even have CD players anymore.

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    @thegreatdivine what happened to occupying the entire Top 10?

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