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  • May 19, 2022
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    thegreatdivine

    Especially not for the supposed second biggest rapper in the game.

    Drake isn’t gonna f*** you no matter how hard you try to defend him

  • May 19, 2022
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    e t

    By doing this, they’re setting themselves up for the biggest L of all time when Drake’s next album sells less than 600K, which it almost certainly will, between new billboard rules and lack of Donda vs. CLB stimulus. They’ll just end up calling it a playlist though when it happens because delusion knows no bounds.

    Drake doesn't need to do 600K+ next album to be a W, and Kendrick didn't need to do 600K+ this album either for it to be a W.

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    martian master

    Drake doesn't need to do 600K+ next album to be a W, and Kendrick didn't need to do 600K+ this album either for it to be a W.

    Yeah, for a reasonable person, this is true. But we’re playing by Drake Stan sales rules when it comes to Drake’s next album.

  • May 19, 2022
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    thegreatdivine

    Mr. Morale & the Big Steppers on Spotify
    Day 1:
    WW — 99.6M
    US — 53.3M

    Day 2:
    WW — 56.5M (-43%)
    US — 28.6M (-38%)

    Day 3:
    WW — 39.2M (-31%)
    US — 18.6M (-35%)

    Day 4:
    WW — 41.3M (+5%)
    US — 19.4M (+4%)

    Day 5:
    WW — 35.0M (-15%)
    US — 16.6M (-15%)

    Mr. Morale & the Big Steppers on Spotify
    Day 1:
    WW — 99.6M
    US — 53.3M

    Day 2:
    WW — 56.5M (-43%)
    US — 28.6M (-38%)

    Day 3:
    WW — 39.2M (-31%)
    US — 18.6M (-35%)

    Day 4:
    WW — 41.3M (+5%)
    US — 19.4M (+4%)

    Day 5:
    WW — 35.0M (-15%)
    US — 16.6M (-15%)

    Day 6:
    WW — 29.2M (-17%)
    US — 13.98M (-16%)

  • May 19, 2022
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    DevilOrAngel

    Drake isn’t gonna f*** you no matter how hard you try to defend him

    You really do come off as stupid when you make posts like this. Do better.

  • May 19, 2022
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    e t

    By doing this, they’re setting themselves up for the biggest L of all time when Drake’s next album sells less than 600K, which it almost certainly will, between new billboard rules and lack of Donda vs. CLB stimulus. They’ll just end up calling it a playlist though when it happens because delusion knows no bounds.

    It doesn't matter if Drake's next album fails to do 600k. Whatever decline he may experience surely won't be as bad at going from doing 600k to doing half of that and that's the point we're trying to make with Kendrick that you seem to not be getting.

  • May 19, 2022
    martian master

    I'd imagine it sold 1M by now, just not certified.

    It was at 500K sold 3 months after release -
    https://twitter.com/chartdata/status/1218637114151264265

    And it's been 2 years

    His album certifications are always pretty strange imo

    I could imagine that Graduation should be already 6x platinum. Seems like they're barely updating the certifications for his older albums

  • May 19, 2022
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    Expert

    That’s not how most fans think 😂you want fans to turn into bots.

    No, they should just do what fans are expected to do: support the work of the artist they're fans of.

  • May 19, 2022
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    thegreatdivine

    Mr. Morale & the Big Steppers on Spotify
    Day 1:
    WW — 99.6M
    US — 53.3M

    Day 2:
    WW — 56.5M (-43%)
    US — 28.6M (-38%)

    Day 3:
    WW — 39.2M (-31%)
    US — 18.6M (-35%)

    Day 4:
    WW — 41.3M (+5%)
    US — 19.4M (+4%)

    Day 5:
    WW — 35.0M (-15%)
    US — 16.6M (-15%)

    Day 6:
    WW — 29.2M (-17%)
    US — 13.98M (-16%)

    What sparked the day 4 spike you think?

  • May 19, 2022
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    thegreatdivine

    You really do come off as stupid when you make posts like this. Do better.

    Your insecurities shine so brightly through the fake narratives that you try to push all the time. It’s okay that you’re obsessed with him, but he’s still not gonna f*** you

  • May 19, 2022
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    martian master

    Weeknd going 444K to 148K
    Wayne going 480K to 139K
    Juice going 497K to 119K

    General consensus is these are L's. These are very big drops. 25-35% of previous album. Based on this, safe to say anything less than half of previous is an L.

    Drake went 732K to 613K
    Eminem went 434K to 279K
    J Cole went 397K to 282K

    These drops are seen as standard with the decline of the sales in general + rule changes, moreover a W. 65-85% of previous sales.

    Kendrick is somewhere in the middle, Predicted to do about 50% of his previous album sales. It's a big drop, but not enough to be an L.

    Additonally, his position commercially has changed as well. Before he was in the 500K+ category which was just him, Drake and Travis - now he's in the 250-350K with Cole, Bad Bunny and Kanye.

    I don't think you can put someone in a sales category if they only ever hit that number once. Kendrick and Travis both did 500k, and that was thanks to bundles/pure sales. The fact that they never consistently did those numbers means they only hit those numbers at their respective commercial peaks. Same way I won't put Drake in the 1M category simply because he did it once. The only rapper out of all of Drake's peers that's ever been in the 500k category is Drake himself. He's done 500k 7 times. Every once of his peers that's done even 400k has only done it once.

  • May 19, 2022
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    Y0rn

    Isnt he still the 2nd biggest with these numbers?

    Your bias showing heavy itt

    No, that'd be Cole.

  • May 19, 2022
    Y0rn

    Lol this was streamed more than DAMN right?

    We won't know for sure till Sunday.

  • May 19, 2022
    thegreatdivine

    I don't think you can put someone in a sales category if they only ever hit that number once. Kendrick and Travis both did 500k, and that was thanks to bundles/pure sales. The fact that they never consistently did those numbers means they only hit those numbers at their respective commercial peaks. Same way I won't put Drake in the 1M category simply because he did it once. The only rapper out of all of Drake's peers that's ever been in the 500k category is Drake himself. He's done 500k 7 times. Every once of his peers that's done even 400k has only done it once.

    Fair point

  • May 19, 2022
    martian master

    What sparked the day 4 spike you think?

    Those are Monday numbers. Most albums/songs gain streams on Fridays/Mondays.

  • May 19, 2022
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    DevilOrAngel

    Your insecurities shine so brightly through the fake narratives that you try to push all the time. It’s okay that you’re obsessed with him, but he’s still not gonna f*** you

    Why do you care who/who doesn't f*** me, you weirdo? F*** off.

  • May 19, 2022
    thegreatdivine

    Why do you care who/who doesn't f*** me, you weirdo? F*** off.

    Dish it but can’t take it, classic

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    May 19, 2022
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    thegreatdivine

    It doesn't matter if Drake's next album fails to do 600k. Whatever decline he may experience surely won't be as bad at going from doing 600k to doing half of that and that's the point we're trying to make with Kendrick that you seem to not be getting.

    As the sales guru who posts the same stuff on 5 different forums, I know that you know that the sales landscape, for a variety of reasons, is much different than it was 5 years ago and numbers comparisons 5 years apart are not really it. Though, I agree that Kendrick’s numbers are unimpressive compared to what was expected but I don’t think considering the drop from DAMN is really that relevant.

    I could make a compilation of posts from this thread and others, however, by Drake Stans saying Drake will sell a million next time, etc. and that seems to be the dominant expectation from a lot of your section. And unless he doesn’t drop an album for 5 years, you will eat the L when he sells less than 600K.

  • May 19, 2022
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    Before this release it was

    1. Drake
    2. Kendrick

    3. Cole

    Now it’s obviously

    1. Drake

    2-3. Kendrick/Cole

  • May 19, 2022
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    Freight

    Before this release it was

    1. Drake
    2. Kendrick

    3. Cole

    Now it’s obviously

    1. Drake

    2-3. Kendrick/Cole

    Where is kanye

  • May 19, 2022

    A lot of you are idiots who really don't have anything to contribute to discussions so you come in here with your stupid troll posts. Know that you'll get blocked the moment you try to pull some dumb s*** like that. We're all here discussing album figures. Yes, some people are more fans of some artists than others but we're all using numbers to back up whatever arguments we're having. If you don't like a narrative, use numbers to present a counter point, but don't come in here with troll posts about why people are discussing numbers in a sales thread or some stupid s*** about "artist A is not gonna f*** you because you're defending him" like we all haven't defended our favorite artists on this site.

    Don't be dumb. At the end of the day, we're all just having fun here. It's not that deep.

  • May 19, 2022
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    thegreatdivine

    Mr. Morale & the Big Steppers on Spotify
    Day 1:
    WW — 99.6M
    US — 53.3M

    Day 2:
    WW — 56.5M (-43%)
    US — 28.6M (-38%)

    Day 3:
    WW — 39.2M (-31%)
    US — 18.6M (-35%)

    Day 4:
    WW — 41.3M (+5%)
    US — 19.4M (+4%)

    Day 5:
    WW — 35.0M (-15%)
    US — 16.6M (-15%)

    Day 6:
    WW — 29.2M (-17%)
    US — 13.98M (-16%)

    This seems like another bad drop off for him

  • May 19, 2022
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    thegreatdivine

    No, they should just do what fans are expected to do: support the work of the artist they're fans of.

    There is no obligation to support work in a specific way. Buying a GKMC vinyl vs this album is still supporting it. There is a difference between supporting and appreciating artist and music vs unhealthy obsession.

  • May 19, 2022
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    e t

    As the sales guru who posts the same stuff on 5 different forums, I know that you know that the sales landscape, for a variety of reasons, is much different than it was 5 years ago and numbers comparisons 5 years apart are not really it. Though, I agree that Kendrick’s numbers are unimpressive compared to what was expected but I don’t think considering the drop from DAMN is really that relevant.

    I could make a compilation of posts from this thread and others, however, by Drake Stans saying Drake will sell a million next time, etc. and that seems to be the dominant expectation from a lot of your section. And unless he doesn’t drop an album for 5 years, you will eat the L when he sells less than 600K.

    Kendrick's numbers are disappointing ONLY because it's Kendrick. It'd be the same if Adele dropped and did 200k. Why were Dawn FM's numbers seen as an L? Because it's the Weeknd. His previous 3 albums before Dawn FM did between 444k, 348k and 412k respectively. That creates an expectation, whether you like it or not. Now, if Dawn FM had done like 275k, no one in their right mind would call it an L because while it's a decline, it's not a steep decline. To show you how much of an L Dawn FM was, Starboy (2016) pulled more on-demand audio streams than an album released in 2022, so it wasn't just about a sales decline. The album legit flopped.

    As for Kendrick, DAMN was released 5 years ago and did 340M on-demand audio streams. Not thoroughly outdoing those numbers now will be an L because streaming has grown and this album has more tracks. That's how the Ls are being classified.

    If a Drake album does 300k tomorrow, even if no one else in the game is doing 200k, people will automatically see it as an L for Drake because it's Drake and because they know what he's used to doing. That's where this all comes from, not because anyone is trying to put Kendrick down.

    As for you saying people think Drake's next album will do a million first week, I've personally never seen that and I'd like to assume no one in their right mind is stupid enough to think that will happen.

  • May 19, 2022
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    Expert

    There is no obligation to support work in a specific way. Buying a GKMC vinyl vs this album is still supporting it. There is a difference between supporting and appreciating artist and music vs unhealthy obsession.

    Fair enough. I just think if your favorite rapper drops their first album in 5 years, you'd go all out in support of it.

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