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  • Mar 5
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    Water Giver

    nigga your trash ass music went double grain of sand

    shut yo goofy ass up

  • Mar 5
    Benny Boy

    He didn't exactly make upbeat music

    listen to the album with lyrics opened and youll see what i mean

  • Mar 5

    stop derailing a good thread

  • Mar 5
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    trilla

    I personally love the album and message.

    I did not see it as him being bitter. I think the state of hip-hop and its overwhelming negative influence on black people, especially within the culture, is something that was weighing on him for some time, and he felt that it was the time to address it. Hip-hop and his community has always been something very dear to him.

    And for the people saying hip-hop has always been like that, I’m sure he was aware. He was very self-aware of the fact that his music was not for everyone. I believe he just wanted to send the message out to those who took the time to listen to his music and put out a message of learning and guidance out in the world.

    "I think the state of hip-hop and its overwhelming negative influence on black people"

    See I think that's an issue in itself too since Rap didn't spawn from nothing and is the way it is for a particular reason to this day, not even in conspiracy ridden reasons, but literal sociological, economical and historic reasons - and that the subjects within Rap already existed in other music in and outside black people

    I think it's a very short sided and imo harmful narrow critique

    I agree with the rest of what you said, and I agree he more than likely had a positive reason regardless, and yes the album and him is overall dope

  • Mar 5
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    Water Giver

    Rapping for rapping sakes is not the same about a Rap subject literally being about Rap in itself.

    A few lines in a verse or a freestyle? Cool. A whole song? Nah.

    It means or helps nothing while being disconnected from most listeners.

    Now songs like I Used to Love Her that aren't played so straight are a better way of doing it, to me.

    Alright post some bars

  • Mar 5
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    Albert Grindstein

    nigga your trash ass music went double grain of sand

    shut yo goofy ass up

  • Mar 5
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    Benny Boy

    Alright post some bars

    What do you mean?

  • Mar 5
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    Water Giver

    What do you mean?

    Do you have bars? You should have some bars if we're speaking on bars

  • Water Giver

    Nigga your s*** can't even get a payout nigga LMAO

    Now stop @ing me goofy so this thread doesn't get derailed more. You need to worry about how you gonna get your fraction of a cent

  • Mar 5
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    Benny Boy

    Do you have bars? You should have some bars if we're speaking on bars

    Literally what are you talking about lol, I'm not a Rapper and that has nothing to do with the convo

  • Albert Grindstein

    Nigga your s*** can't even get a payout nigga LMAO

    Now stop @​ing me goofy so this thread doesn't get derailed more. You need to worry about how you gonna get your fraction of a cent

  • Mar 5
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    Water Giver

    Literally what are you talking about lol, I'm not a Rapper and that has nothing to do with the convo

    You thinking that is the problem, and you got no bars. Pack it in

  • Mar 5
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    Water Giver

    "I think the state of hip-hop and its overwhelming negative influence on black people"

    See I think that's an issue in itself too since Rap didn't spawn from nothing and is the way it is for a particular reason to this day, not even in conspiracy ridden reasons, but literal sociological, economical and historic reasons - and that the subjects within Rap already existed in other music in and outside black people

    I think it's a very short sided and imo harmful narrow critique

    I agree with the rest of what you said, and I agree he more than likely had a positive reason regardless, and yes the album and him is overall dope

    I hear you, and that is definitely one way to look at it. I can't fault people for not being down with the message because it can go deep.

    Obviously, I can't speak for him, but I assume he was reacting to what was being pushed on a mainstream level and how it was affecting the younger generation of kids in his community and to black people as a whole.

    As I mentioned before, he probably just wanted to do his little part in helping the world be a better place and provide an alternative message of what he probably saw being pushed to the masses.

  • Mar 5
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    Benny Boy

    You thinking that is the problem, and you got no bars. Pack it in

    You have bars ready for everytine you give an opinion on a song/artist or when you break something down?

    Alright let's see your bars.

  • Albert Grindstein

    nigga your trash ass music went double grain of sand

    shut yo goofy ass up

  • i cant believe he's gone man

  • Albert Grindstein

    nigga your trash ass music went double grain of sand

    shut yo goofy ass up

    double grain of sand

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    trilla

    I hear you, and that is definitely one way to look at it. I can't fault people for not being down with the message because it can go deep.

    Obviously, I can't speak for him, but I assume he was reacting to what was being pushed on a mainstream level and how it was affecting the younger generation of kids in his community and to black people as a whole.

    As I mentioned before, he probably just wanted to do his little part in helping the world be a better place and provide an alternative message of what he probably saw being pushed to the masses.

    Obviously same disclaimer applies here but I felt that while he speaks on the mainstream to some degree, a lot of it is also very local - I think he’s speaking from his perspective on what he’s seeing in Brownsville and the city as a whole

    Like the escalating hyperviolence of the BK/uptown drill scene at the time, and the age of kids dying over that s***, was probably pretty triggering and depressing for a guy who talks openly about how violent his adolescence was. I mean that whole Notti Bop s*** was crazy sickening tbh, I can’t imagine that stuff sat well

  • Mar 5
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    Water Giver

    You have bars ready for everytine you give an opinion on a song/artist or when you break something down?

    Alright let's see your bars.

    They cam rippin, they imitatin' the hand stitchin'
    They in the ghost kitchen; I'm in their gram's kitchen
    Finger f***in' like I'm rebuilding a transmission
    She 5/4 but I put her on a dance rhythm
    Butter smooth; y'all burnt out; the pan stickin'
    Passed on like the China to the grandchildren
    I'm tryna edge pop out; these are canned biscuits
    Y'all tryna wedge pop in; the whole stance different

  • trilla

    I hear you, and that is definitely one way to look at it. I can't fault people for not being down with the message because it can go deep.

    Obviously, I can't speak for him, but I assume he was reacting to what was being pushed on a mainstream level and how it was affecting the younger generation of kids in his community and to black people as a whole.

    As I mentioned before, he probably just wanted to do his little part in helping the world be a better place and provide an alternative message of what he probably saw being pushed to the masses.

    Agreed.

    I appreciate the energy and thought from him even if I don't fully agree with the method or angle. And I do think the song has a deeper message than just Rap itself even tho I already don't like Rapping about Rap in general, but unfortunately songs like this most of the time it doesn't do much besides stroke the ego of jaded old heads in their own selfish manner on their own feelings of not understanding and feeling left out of modern era Rap then using as confirmation bias for their own scapegoat - but I guess that's more of like a pet peeve thing than actual artistic intent.

    I just wish conversations about "it's just murder and s***in Rap" (which imo is just perpetuating in-fighting that ignores the bigger picture that always gets pushed and set up to us) was expanded on more in depth in general and the actual reasons why, instead of acting like it just happened out of nowhere, or chastising 100 percent one of the most freeing and successful lanes for people with no options that have community and message for those people with no options.

    I appreciate your reply and pov 🫡

  • Mar 5
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    babylon sherm
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    Obviously same disclaimer applies here but I felt that while he speaks on the mainstream to some degree, a lot of it is also very local - I think he’s speaking from his perspective on what he’s seeing in Brownsville and the city as a whole

    Like the escalating hyperviolence of the BK/uptown drill scene at the time, and the age of kids dying over that s***, was probably pretty triggering and depressing for a guy who talks openly about how violent his adolescence was. I mean that whole Notti Bop s*** was crazy sickening tbh, I can’t imagine that stuff sat well

    That's true the whole Drill movement is a good perspective I didn't think of and also I'm personally disconnected from. I don't consume the music nor media neither revolving around drill.

    I still think it's narrow thinking and "victim-blamey" on Rap and black people as a whole that doesn't connect to the actual issues and root - but that is a good point, focus and potential intent to keep in mind.

    And yeah the little bit I do know, drill is a mess.

  • babylon sherm
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    Obviously same disclaimer applies here but I felt that while he speaks on the mainstream to some degree, a lot of it is also very local - I think he’s speaking from his perspective on what he’s seeing in Brownsville and the city as a whole

    Like the escalating hyperviolence of the BK/uptown drill scene at the time, and the age of kids dying over that s***, was probably pretty triggering and depressing for a guy who talks openly about how violent his adolescence was. I mean that whole Notti Bop s*** was crazy sickening tbh, I can’t imagine that stuff sat well

    Agreed, that is a good point about the hyperviolence and drill influence in Brooklyn. As a Brownsville native, that must have hit Ka hard for many reasons, as you mentioned.

  • Mar 5
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    Benny Boy

    They cam rippin, they imitatin' the hand stitchin'
    They in the ghost kitchen; I'm in their gram's kitchen
    Finger f***in' like I'm rebuilding a transmission
    She 5/4 but I put her on a dance rhythm
    Butter smooth; y'all burnt out; the pan stickin'
    Passed on like the China to the grandchildren
    I'm tryna edge pop out; these are canned biscuits
    Y'all tryna wedge pop in; the whole stance different

    Now I hope you post bars in every thread about Rap you drop an opinion on from here on out

  • Mar 5
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    Water Giver

    Now I hope you post bars in every thread about Rap you drop an opinion on from here on out

    You have no bars little bro

    Step light in the garden
    Eggshells, beg thy pardon
    Yoke it up, smoke a carton
    I won't hold sacred carbon
    Bush era arson for a bargain, it's a steal
    Touch and go, caught up in my feels
    Record scratch, Jesus on the wheels
    Caught on tape, sample wouldn't clear
    Most wanted or ghosts haunted
    Round table talk, Algonquin
    Cottage industries plotted
    Two hots and some cotton
    Crackpots and cauldrons
    United flights from Boston

  • Sounds interestin, will take a look and listen