Not if you're innocent with the possibility of exoneration... Which was the context of the statement lol

No, the initial argument is whether we should have or not have the death penalty. We should have it. You keep adding new pieces to it

Nothing new was added... I mentioned all that to another poster before you made your first post to me... And that quote and response wasn't about that.. It was about the reason why life is a better alternative than the death penalty as constituted.... Because those wrongfully convicted won't be executed and still have the chance to be exonerated.

I can see the initial posts on page 35. You do not speak on innocent people being killed until I comment saying that it should exist with a more strenuous requirement to seek the death penalty.

You respond by saying that it kills innocent people completely ignoring the initial point.

You are straw manning like you always do lol

Dont quote me in here again!

This is why you don't make ignorant comments... Go to page 29... I was talking about this before with another poster.. "If we execute just one innocent man... Which is a given in this system, then the death penalty is useless"

Me opposing it for the same reasons I told you has been my position for years 🤡 ass nigga

That's not what the f*** we are arguing about. I'm speaking on whether the death penalty should exist not whether are not innocent people are being killed in it. F*** i look like going back pages to read your f***ing novel

That's what the f*** I was talking about... You decided to quote me and I made it clear in my FIRST response to you that's what I was talking about... 🤡 Pay attention!

Are you mentally challenged? How am I suppose to know what you are talking bout 10 pages ago without it being referenced?

You decided to quote me.. I told you what I was talking about in my first response to that quote fool on page 📄 36.... 🤦‍♂️

No you don't lol you give a bullshit blanket statement speaking on innocence and what could go wrong which is missing the f***ing point lol

And before you respond back with some more paragraphs of bullshit I'm telling you right now that some crimes deserve the death penalty if it can be proven without a doubt a person did that s***.

Dont quote me again because I wont respond

No you're missing the point cuz you're the one that was quoting me 🤡 👏

we are so close to 1000 replies keep it up

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1. But this clearly does happen lol. Just think about the history of America. Surveillance of supposed communist party members, assassination of Fred Hampton, how the legacies of certain figures are told in an incomplete manner. MLK Jr, Hellen Keller, George Orwell etc., All democratic socialists, but that's never mentioned. Just look at how they treated Bernie just for proposing even the mildest social reforms. Like I said, capitalism has the great ability to make people believe they are not living under the influence of a system. its self-perpetuating. It works better for capitalism if we don't think about it, but at the same time you aren't allowed to make any serious challenges to it.

2. Well first, we have to figure out how much of this type of crime exists in the first place. Like I've said over and over, it's a process. If some evangelical commits a hate crime (how often does this actually happen?) then they are put in a rehabilitation center. Again, what better place to reverse that indoctrination? And it's not even about getting them to disavow religion or anything at that point, but to simply recognize the freedom and equality of others. If people can learn to discriminate, they can learn otherwise, and even then I only care about their doctrination in so far as it causes them to commit crimes.

3. There are plenty of victims and victim families who support restorative justice. Once we begin building a society based on equality, the only logical step is to extend compassion to those who commit crimes and believe in their inherent equality as human beings, and when we do that we begin to ask what caused them to commit such an act and how can we begin to eliminate those factors and help these people so that these acts are not present in the future.

4. I think you're easily overstating how big an issue this will be. As links I have posted have indicated, the recidivism rate for things like murder is low, and with the removal of certain social conditions that might lead one to murder being removed from society, they will naturally only get lower, possibly nonexistent. I think nearly everyone itt is underestimating how much crime could be reduced once we're doing things like providing stable living conditions for every individual, and ridding ourselves of inequality. like, there are studies showing the connection between violent offenders, lack of housing income status, education level etc., There is nothing inherent about what I'm proposing that says some killer will get released and kill again.

You don't even have to be as staunch a supporter for prison abolition as I am. If you think my proposals will lead to less crime, less recidivism, and a more stable society than what we currently have, then there is also no reason to not support it.

1. I think you meant to quote my other post... I still disagree with you on capitalism and indoctrination, but that wasn't the crux of what we were even talking about.

2. Yes people can learn to discriminate and people can be taught to not discriminate, but we're all different in a variety of ways... Some minds can be changed and some can't... No one is saying no minds can ever be changed... You're making the claim that all minds can be changed and that's not demonstrable or justifiable in reality whatsoever as we're all flawed thinkers and flawed beings... So we will always have people commit crimes and we will always need a rehab facility of some kind... which is why I made the point to drive home just how different so many people think and believe things irrational or otherwise regardless of what they're taught or is justifiable... Nothing necessitates that thoughts and beliefs are based in laws or societal norms and I've demonstrated that.

3. You must know your idea of restorative justice is not the same for most people... Especially victims and families... If you don't, then look into that... Also you must know a majority of people still support the death penalty right? Which I'm clearly not even advocating for, but you're advocating for something that many won't consider justice entirely... What about the value of the life that was taken or lost and making sure that the person that did that NEVER gets a chance to do it again? What about justice for them and their families? Also the compassion is in not killing them and working to rehabilitate them humanely.

4. The low rates are irrelevant... My position is one that even if it was a low rate it would be unjust... What you're advocating for will have more murderers released and shorter sentences so we can't even judge the rates under our current system.. It could be lower or relatively the same or it could be higher... Yes a released murderer killing again is inherent to the system or you're not assessing it honestly and making another unjustifiable claim that NO murderers will ever be released and kill again...

I disagree with your version although we have agreement on changing to a humane system where we try and rehabilitate violent criminals. The difference is I acknowledge people are fallible and mistakes will be made... There is no exact science or clinical diagnosis for many people's minds and mental states.. Mistakes are made.. Misdiagnosis happens... People also relapse... So I don't agree on releasing murderers back into society... And my position of a life sentence would have less crime than your system in those instances.

we rehabbing evil cops too or is prison/death penalty back on the table?

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If prisons actually did what they were supposed to do it wouldn’t be a problem

someone collect they mans....

everything just an outdated concept

how about we fix the concept instead of getting rid of it entirely...lol

Friendly reminder that Synopsis does not think Derek Chauvin should be in jail but instead should be sent to a rehab facility and eventually be allowed back on the streets some day