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  • May 16, 2020
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    Not my job to go into studies and remedy bad opinions (talking general, not you synopsis)

    I have stuff to do peace

  • May 16, 2020
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    Mel

    Actual studies, not some random website

    Ppi isn't a random website lmao and they are literally quoting the bjs

  • Mel

    Not my job to go into studies and remedy bad opinions (talking general, not you synopsis)

    I have stuff to do peace

    The idiot scurrying away ^

  • May 16, 2020
    Mel

    Research has shown that s***offenders are more likely to recidivate with a nonsexual offense than a sexual offense (see, e.g., Hanson & Bussière, 1998). Studies have also shown that some crimes legally labeled as nonsexual in the criminal histories of s***offenders may indeed be sexual in their underlying behavior (Doren, 2010; Rice et al., 2006; Heil et al., 2009).

    https://smart.gov/SOMAPI/sec1/ch5_recidivism.html

    So again, most s***offenders dont recommit sexual crimes

  • May 16, 2020
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    What makes more sense

    1. Demonizing someone who has committed no actual crime, knows what they're feeling is wrong and wants to get help but is afraid of the stigma so now they harbor these urges for life and all.the negative consequences of that

    Or

    2. Giving them help

  • May 16, 2020
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    Synopsis

    Ppi isn't a random website lmao and they are literally quoting the bjs

    I trust academic research more as it goes through a standardized process and isn't politicized to support any one view. (Outside of paraphrasing in news article)

  • May 16, 2020
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    Synopsis

    What makes more sense

    1. Demonizing someone who has committed no actual crime, knows what they're feeling is wrong and wants to get help but is afraid of the stigma so now they harbor these urges for life and all.the negative consequences of that

    Or

    2. Giving them help

    Aren’t there already places that do that. I’m sure I started watching a doc about pedos who were self aware and went to some place to get help

  • May 16, 2020
    fmvp yzy vert

    Aren’t there already places that do that. I’m sure I started watching a doc about pedos who were self aware and went to some place to get help

    I'm not sure but clearly it needs to be undertaken at a larger scale.

  • May 16, 2020
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    Mel

    I trust academic research more as it goes through a standardized process and isn't politicized to support any one view. (Outside of paraphrasing in news article)

    And all the data shows that s***criminals recommit s***crimes at a very low rate.

  • May 16, 2020
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    Synopsis

    And all the data shows that s***criminals recommit s***crimes at a very low rate.

    The studies I linked you basically invalidate the entire recidivism article/statistics you're citing to support your view. They aren't appropriate metrics, feel free to go through it if you want. Like I said I have gtg do work.

  • May 16, 2020

    ppl being purposely obtuse itt

    Synopsis knew he’d get flamed for making this and of course there are people who no amount of rehabilitation could help, but it’s really tough to support a system that so openly profits from locking people up and advertises high recidivism rates to lure in investors.

  • May 16, 2020
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    MetaphoricalOne

    The reason I've become so clearly against the death penalty is because our system is fallible and we know with a fact that we've executed hundreds of innocent men on death row... I've even spoken with some fortunate to get freed through help from the innocence project and other non profits... I'd say... If you agree our prison system is fallible and you agree our overall justice system is fallible... Would you agree that therapists or psychiatrists can also be fallible? You would have to.. So under this system there's an increased chance of releasing a known murderer who maybe would have gotten life and them killing again... Would that be justice? No.. So what would be more just?

    Of course therapists can be fallible. But that's why I would be very unlikely to leave it in the hands of one therapist to determine if a potentially dangerous person gets rereleased back into the general population. Now, if what people are telling me is true and certain people can't be reformed, because they suffer from sort of condition in their brain, then something tells me we'd be able to diagnose that, and perhaps this condition can't be helped. so what happens? they simply don't leave the facility.

    as ive said before, im also heavily concerned with alleviating the conditions that lead to most murders. but I fully believe for instance that if Person A robs person B and ends up killing them in the process, that person A can be rehabilitated and that his crime can be eradicated simply by making it so that the conditions for it occur no longer exists.

  • May 16, 2020

    Definitely dont think it’s a bad idea to try

  • May 16, 2020
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    Synopsis

    What makes more sense

    1. Demonizing someone who has committed no actual crime, knows what they're feeling is wrong and wants to get help but is afraid of the stigma so now they harbor these urges for life and all.the negative consequences of that

    Or

    2. Giving them help

    Obviously number 2, but dumbasses gonna be low IQ dumbasses, but good on you for teaching him(giving him help too)

  • May 16, 2020
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    therapy barely works for people with ANXIETY and you think it’s gonna cure murderers and rapists

  • May 16, 2020
    Mel

    The studies I linked you basically invalidate the entire recidivism article/statistics you're citing to support your view. They aren't appropriate metrics, feel free to go through it if you want. Like I said I have gtg do work.

    No, it really doesn't lol

    "they make be sexual in their underlying behavior"

    Again, what is the point of this? And I'm not concerned with the crime itself being under reported. That is a whole other issue altogether, and even now we all clearly know that not all sexual offenses are the same.

  • May 16, 2020
    hublots

    therapy barely works for people with ANXIETY and you think it’s gonna cure murderers and rapists

    Yes, I'm willing to give it a shot.

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    I believe everyone deserves redemption no matter how heinous the crime is.
    But I also believe there should be way to determine if they are able to function in society and not commit those crimes again. Until something like that is developed, all we can really do is turn these prisons into a rehab facilities. So yea I agree somewhat

  • May 16, 2020

    OP’s dad is doing 25 to life

  • May 16, 2020
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    MetaphoricalOne

    Obviously number 2, but dumbasses gonna be low IQ dumbasses, but good on you for teaching him(giving him help too)

    i truly believe some people would throw them in jail just for thinking thoughts lol

  • Synopsis

    i truly believe some people would throw them in jail just for thinking thoughts lol

    He's literally advocating for thought crime... That's why he's an idiot.

  • May 16, 2020

    OP never been to the deep web

  • May 16, 2020

    if we had a program in all prisons that could truly determine if someone is truly reformed, by all means release all prisoners who pass it

  • May 16, 2020
    HeyFriends

    I believe everyone deserves redemption no matter how heinous the crime is.
    But I also believe there should be way to determine if they are able to function in society and not commit those crimes again. Until something like that is developed, all we can really do is turn these prisons into a rehab facilities. So yea I agree somewhat

    I'm along these lines as well, where even though I'm going to show my bias in this where this is a thread where you'd like to keep bias out, I know that there are certain crimes that I believe can't be forgiven. However, given the current set up of our prison systems and how they exploit those who commit even non-violent crimes, let alone the more heinous ones, the alternative of them becoming rehab centers to determine if the individual can return to normal society, that alternative would be preferable.

  • May 16, 2020

    Synonyms thread blew up

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