PFLP optimisticman

11mo

Your insulting a companion of the prophet over a complete lie. Astagfrillah. Also your not muslim so mind ure business kafir

mvp

11mo

I don’t care, he defied the wishes of the prophet

Uncle Jack

11mo

The Calamity of Thursday Hadith is Sahih and found in both Sunni and Shia books

PFLP optimisticman

11mo

The quran literally says the prophet revealed everything he needed to. Like why would Allah SWT just let the prophet die without revealing such important information?

Uncle Jack

11mo

To test the Ummah!

According to narrations the Muslim community will fracture into 73 sects with only one group destined for paradise and the rest for hell.

PFLP optimisticman

11mo

To test the companions? Who are held in high regard even in the Quran? So even the companions weren’t on haqq?

Uncle Jack

11mo

To test the Ummah!

According to narrations the Muslim community will fracture into 73 sects with only one group destined for paradise and the rest for hell.

mvp

11mo

plus the verse referring to islam as complete was revealed months before the death of the prophet, yet the prophet continued to lead prayer, to teach, to advise, no?

why are we interpreting that verse to mean the end of all guidance, rather than just the perfection of the religion’s core tenants? the argument that the prophet was denied the opportunity to write his will because “the religion was complete” makes no sense.

Uncle Jack

11mo

There is a Sahih hadith found in both Sunni and Shia collections,

Hadith goes as following: "Whosoever dies without knowing the Imam of his time dies the death of Jahiliyah (the time of ignorance)."

This points to the importance of recognizing and following the rightful leader (Imam) in Islam!

mvp

11mo

a great point. there really is no justification that isn’t cope.

Uncle Jack

11mo

The companions were not infallible.
The 14 Infallibles were the Prophet (PBUH), his daughter and the 12 Imams.

PFLP optimisticman

11mo

So your saying Allah SWT purposefully did something that was cause us to divide into sects even though it is specifically said to not divide into sects? And the correct sect is shiism?? The one a vast majority of muslims dont follow?

Uncle Jack

11mo

I'm not saying anything I'm just presenting the facts.

PFLP optimisticman

11mo

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There’s nothing factual about the assumption that what the prophet was gonna write was regarding a successor. Its literally a baseless assumption people use to promote shiism

mvp

11mo

what do you say to the hadith he cited:

“Whosoever dies without knowing the Imam of his time dies the death of Jahiliyah (the time of ignorance).”

does that not suggest the prophet would address the question of leadership after his death? (although he already did at ghadir khumm, it could have been formalized in writing)

PFLP optimisticman

11mo

I dont care what u say your not even muslim. Like bruh at least become muslim before trying to debate people on important topics

mvp

11mo

so what, if I took the shahada right this second my perspective would not change. I’m engaging in good faith. I’m also open minded to your viewpoints.

PFLP optimisticman

11mo

U should just know no one is going to take the opinion of kafir seriously. Ure fine with eternal hellfire. Keep your opinions to yourself

PFLP optimisticman

11mo

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There’s nothing factual about the assumption that what the prophet was gonna write was regarding a successor. Its literally a baseless assumption people use to promote shiism

mvp

11mo

“Invite to the way of your Lord with wisdom and good instruction, and argue with them in a way that is best.”
— Surah An-Nahl 16:125

mvp

11mo

“Invite to the way of your Lord with wisdom and good instruction, and argue with them in a way that is best.”
— Surah An-Nahl 16:125

PFLP optimisticman

11mo

So youve done so much research on islam ure literally quoting scripture and u still reject faith. What could I possibly do to help at that point? If your fine with going to hell thats simply due to your own arrogance

PFLP optimisticman

11mo

Another surah btw is Allah does not guide the defiantly disobedient

mvp

11mo

I’m not defiant at all, I have an open heart, just haven’t taken the leap.

anyway, this has nothing to do with the historical discussion surrounding the prophet’s intentions regarding succession. I just wanted to know the basis for your belief, not discuss my personal life.