Andre Jaquet

9mo

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most old celebs were heavily connected or related to people before they got any traction. We can see and know the grind of mad people now way more than before. Yeat and doechii we can clearly see their grind and story from being nobody. Fakemink. Lone’s dad was I-20 but he went his dad was a washed up rapper by then and he went his entire own way grinding for years slowly before opium’s crew scouted him. Jane remover made music nonstop for 6 years and made a whole influential subgenre before she got anything beyond indie attention. Xaviersobased also has had a gradual 4 year rise and he spearheaded an entire subgenre and put multiple people on.

It’s just people are way more obsessed with triple checking that someone came up with no familial music connections and no connects pre blowup we hyperanalyzing every come up

u just referenced sematary who’s a niche underground rapper lol

connections and we have more access to info lol
You deadass think asap rocky dropped one song and miraculously had a 3 million dollar deal? Drake’s uncle played guitar for Al green. J Cole was on a Jay Z album before his first studio album. Wayne was picked up as a child to be a star. Lorde, dua lipa, we could go on forever man rising in music industry Eman’s connections and using them properly there’s a million rich kids who never made anything of themselves. It’s how it’s always been

krishna bound

9mo

yeah i know, i even said in the post "50-60% (of artists)" were like that. it's just way more prevalent now. obviously money breeds money, connections breed connections, etc - so it's natural. i'm more just saying it's surprising who pops into what spaces. it's not like back in the 70s-80s underground music spaces most people were interconnected already. it's more surprising this is the case w the underground if anything

Phlegm

9mo

Gonna listen to seam btw never heard of them.

I appreciate the elucidation in the other comment and in this one. I think music is highly collaborative and so there will be stuff like this, although not always to this degree and this thread is a bit mroe specific about it. I do understand it come across as a leap i didn't really make my thought clear.

There is something to be said about paths and principles of consumption e.g. Daniel Ek's military investments in combination with his views on music and spotify's treatment of artists, etc. I wrestle with it sometimes. I don't use spotify but tim cook is also sucking up to trump and ice if people are looking for an alternative how do they weigh whats better/worse? I'm not sure its worth stopping at those two options though, cus I don't like the idea of giving my money to either of them.

It did come across as you were trying to hand wave it away with the silly pics and infantilizing of a grown man as if he cant process a string of thoughts. Like there are plenty people who don't have a college education who don't think that s***s ok. I know the world I live in though and many people do indeed support that stuff.

This is part of talking about music at times and I do think these conversations are worthwhile, as it seems many people in this thread do too.

krishna bound

9mo

yeah i know, i even said in the post "50-60% (of artists)" were like that. it's just way more prevalent now. obviously money breeds money, connections breed connections, etc - so it's natural. i'm more just saying it's surprising who pops into what spaces. it's not like back in the 70s-80s underground music spaces most people were interconnected already. it's more surprising this is the case w the underground if anything

Orangutan

9mo

I get your point but dude is deadass a high school drop out who sips lean all day. If you’ve ever met those types in real life they’re not exactly principled political a***ysts

If you don’t feel comfortable listening to somebody for whatever reason that’s cool but I think forcing people to moralize every facet of every artist they listen to is kind of silly

Broscodolo

9mo

Peter Thiels whole getting out of political donations thing was based on his theory that funding stuff like this and changing the aesthetics of far right culture would be more effective than trying to inact change through legislation first and he’s right tbh it’s working.

Bring the kids in through cool looking rappers then try to feed them the rest later.

rather late

9mo

I know high school dropouts and they still have morals and standards
Treating a grown man like a make a wish kid bc theyre uneducated and use d**** is kinda crazy

GONE

9mo

All these underground mfs are just mocking black ppl and I include the black underground mfs in that too

Orangutan

9mo

Yeah I explained my thoughts better in some other posts in here

He’s definitely a grown man and responsible for his own s***. My point is if we applied that standard across the board for artists, you’d probably find very few without some bad associations. Doesn’t make it right or cool, but especially given the fact that he seems to be distancing himself from Sam, Joeyy being his audio editor like 6 years ago isn’t enough to make me think dude is a Nazi.

rather late

9mo

Why the f*** do you go so hard for some talentless meme that came up with a white supremacist
Because he makes for some funny ironic content?
F*** off

Andre Jaquet

9mo

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WRU

9mo

Anywhere I can read him proposing that?

sniper

9mo

There’s some weirdos around the underground nowadays like Sam Hyde of MDE who’s an unrepentant nazi, Joeyy came up under him and the group Shed Theory are associated with him

I really do wonder if Joeyy is actually like a serious rapper in his own niche or if it’s supposed to be some kind of ironic joke making fun of black people and “mumble rap”

Christ Dillinger did some diss track with Hyde on some youtuber

krishna bound

9mo

this is a bit of a misunderstanding of rich people's money works. actual generational rich people have so much money that functionally they are incentivized to keep spending it because the amount they have is near impossible to actually lose in terms of gains vs losses. if you have 1 billion, think about even the interest you're making on that; all of this is subject to taxes (among other things) which then affect your wider financial structure. rich people become businesses in and of themselves which is why they typically have teams and "family offices" to manage portions of their money as if they were their own funds or equity firms.

Peter Thiel himself is not really managing the vast majority of his own investments, he has like a ton of financial firms that operate under him. Very rarely does he step out to do something personal/direct with his own money (i.e. funding lawsuit against Gawker). There is a misguided belief Thiel personally sets the stage for every single thing his money goes to, the same way a lot of right wingers think Soros personally funds everything liberal.

Basically, Thiel has a ton of money. He chooses broadly and abstractly the direction of his funds and who manages it by establishing capital firms & offices. Those firms & offices then deploy money to other subsidiaries, funds, and sometimes companies. Then those subsidiaries, funds, and companies end up with individuals or companies. This becomes a binary tree of funding rather than a straight correlation of Thiel -> (result). Thiel is like "i want to fund conservative stuff and support trump" and then he hires someone conservative to manage a pool of maybe $10M and gives them an objective of either "make money" or "give grants no bigger than $x". That money is then deployed to other organizations which the guy/people in charge of said pool vet and feel is worthwhile given their mission statement. Then those people do the same thing, and this continues to happen until someone actually gets the money to "burn".

this is not an alt

9mo

I think this is true in general but doesn’t really apply to Thiel or this instance

Broscodolo

9mo

You kinda have to piece it together through various interviews but this article gives some insights into where he puts his money

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/josephbernstein/peter-thiel-anti-woke-film-festival-trevor-bazile

rather late

9mo

Hanging around nazis bc youre too much of a fat regard to care is fine actually

relapsed bisexual

9mo

if joey nazi im gonna kms mane 💔🥀

Broscodolo

9mo

Niggas laughed when I said remilia/milady was becoming a real movement lol

Willie Wildcat

9mo

Judge for yourself

sniper

9mo

There’s some weirdos around the underground nowadays like Sam Hyde of MDE who’s an unrepentant nazi, Joeyy came up under him and the group Shed Theory are associated with him

I really do wonder if Joeyy is actually like a serious rapper in his own niche or if it’s supposed to be some kind of ironic joke making fun of black people and “mumble rap”

Christ Dillinger did some diss track with Hyde on some youtuber

Orangutan

8mo

Joeyy speaks on this interaction: