My point is that I'm cool on the holier than thou act, there's subsisting subgenres that's been influencing artists for millennia and are within the culture
That ain't the same as a white boy mumbling over 808s with scamming ass representation and don't deserve low effort parallels that don't equate
Lol that nigga Ian really stepped onto the scene calling himself IAN. F***ing Ian. He just opened the gate for low effort crackas to put on some boat shoes, call themselves Tanner, mumble doctor's handwriting into a mic, and make money off it
Can't complain about cultural apropriation when many artist CHOOSE to cosign a yeat or Ian or they play festivals
you are letting them in
where did tyler cosign a yeat or an ian
i also dont think ian will have any sort of longevity but assuming hes going to be some post malone that raps for exposure then pivots to country or something seems like jumping the gun
it dont gotta be country lol.
hell he can pivot to just....other forms of business lol.
Well yes but they f*** with both overall. Everything Tyler said about Ian could also apply to Yeat in many ways
ian and yeat are two different kinds of non-black rappers. hell even nettspend is different than ian
niggas be coming into this thread with an agenda against the artist that said s*** without even taking into context
NOBODY ITT THAT HASN'T SEEN TYLER'S INTERVIEW (literally only 20 minutes) SHOULD PUT THEY 2 CENTS IN.
Unless we keeping this same energy for Em (not saying you but in general), we gotta keep in mind Tyler's thought process at that time.
You (probably didn't) could see in the interview where this came from that Tyler said he was heavily inspired by Dj Quik's storytelling on his albums.
Even if the stories were f***ed up, young Tyler was still making concepts around the said f***ed up stories. That in itself is still 1000x more work he's putting in at 18 f***ing years old than Ian.
Well yes but in short many would say what Tyler is saying about Ian in some form about his edgy music . Not about appropriation but so much so "does this need to exist". Fine Ian music isnt for Tyler. Fine Ian music isn't for me. Its not about me. Ian isnt getting crazy radio play or crazy crazy push from a label. Like what is he getting at
Tyler wasn't even really invited to interviews or sitdowns til coming out with Flowerboy . Before when he was viewed as homophobic, transphobic, edgy he wasn't sitting down with all this interviewers for nuggets or given awards.
Ian could stay this bullshit his whole career or change who the f*** knows but no one absolutely no one is wondering what Tyler thinks of Ian. Maybe his thoughts on the entire genre so "less meme artist I want people in it for the love of the game"
but its difficult to be in music for the love of the game its an expensive genre to be in . Which HE F***ING KNOWS because he is doing LV deals and has his own clothing
he doesnt just do music. The idea that someone can be in music specifically hip hop or rap and just do it for the love of the music and magically be successful with no push or other medium is a lie
i think ian just gotta expose himself more
tmk he hasnt said any s*** like im only in this for the money or anything like that, and so im kinda struggling to see the difference
didnt people also think yeat was black before they saw what he looks like? idk. just seems like ian being put under a scrutiny some of these other white artists like harlow or yeat havent had for whatever reason.
the sentiment is that there is some respect missing from ian, but has he spoken about this yet ? im sure while he hasnt lived the s*** he rapping (plenty of these guys dont) i dont see that as some blatant disrespect though.
I mean he does make being a rich kid part of his image. I think thats all we need to know.
People like yeat and harlow atleast try and not flaunt that. I dont even like them niggas like that, but if u gon be a white rapper that was raised upper middle class, u gotta be self aware and react against it like yeat and harlow
ian and yeat are two different kinds of non-black rappers. hell even nettspend is different than ian
yeah I can admit they are different enough but the central idea of white people imitating successful black rappers is similar for both is it not
Yea, yeat isnt making a mockery of the genre. he is actually influenced by them at thats fine.
But when u cosplay and your proud of it, flaunting your parents money and making your rich background part of your schtick. Thats trash.
We barely know anything about yeats life.
real, yeats made his own sound and u can tell he’s not just lazily copying someone elses style
Ktt loves Ian
Give me tired Drake Kendrick discourse on this site over people talking about and defending Ian
niggas be coming into this thread with an agenda against the artist that said s*** without even taking into context
NOBODY ITT THAT HASN'T SEEN TYLER'S INTERVIEW (literally only 20 minutes) SHOULD PUT THEY 2 CENTS IN.
I just wrote 3 paragraphs
Well yes but in short many would say what Tyler is saying about Ian in some form about his edgy music . Not about appropriation but so much so "does this need to exist". Fine Ian music isnt for Tyler. Fine Ian music isn't for me. Its not about me. Ian isnt getting crazy radio play or crazy crazy push from a label. Like what is he getting at
Tyler wasn't even really invited to interviews or sitdowns til coming out with Flowerboy . Before when he was viewed as homophobic, transphobic, edgy he wasn't sitting down with all this interviewers for nuggets or given awards.
Ian could stay this bullshit his whole career or change who the f*** knows but no one absolutely no one is wondering what Tyler thinks of Ian. Maybe his thoughts on the entire genre so "less meme artist I want people in it for the love of the game"
but its difficult to be in music for the love of the game its an expensive genre to be in . Which HE F***ING KNOWS because he is doing LV deals and has his own clothing
he doesnt just do music. The idea that someone can be in music specifically hip hop or rap and just do it for the love of the music and magically be successful with no push or other medium is a lie
1. Tyler won MTV best new artist in 2011 crodie
2. Tyler expounded on why he hates this is the state of rap in the interview that Bu is responding to
It's understandable you are not a fan of Tyler but that don't mean you gotta make s*** up lol.
I can agree with Tyler in so many ways about it should be people that arent meme artist that are in it for the love of the game but you also have to ask yourself why....
1. Tyler won MTV best new artist in 2011 crodie
2. Tyler expounded on why he hates this is the state of rap in the interview that Bu is responding to
It's understandable you are not a fan of Tyler but that don't mean you gotta make s*** up lol.
Nigga I am not talking a MTV Award
I like Tyler music he is an imperfect human being like many artist there is no way I can type 3 paragraphs and you skim and miss the point
Nigga I am not talking a MTV Award
Oh I haven't put any value in a whammy for decades they all the same to. Moi.
Oh I haven't put any value in a whammy for decades they all the same to. Moi.
I am saying that is when it truly all changed for him though
also ironically what set chance up for disaster
yeah I can admit they are different enough but the central idea of white people imitating successful black rappers is similar for both is it not
that's fair for ian and yeat but i dont think tyler is referring to yeat in this case
What is Tyler saying that we don't already know or feel?
Will it lead to any change at all?
Give me tired Drake Kendrick discourse on this site over people talking about and defending Ian
Nah Nah Nah not this time we following thru ( with moving on since beef thread is locked
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I like Tyler music he is an imperfect human being like many artist there is no way I can type 3 paragraphs and you skim and miss the point
so why you saying "does this need to exist" when horrorcore has been a thing in hip hop since the f***ing 90s? Geto Boys was doing it, Gravediggaz was doing it, Kool Keith was doing it. They aint have social media to be like "ew son" but horrorcore in itself is a staple in hip hop.
That is not the same thing as a white boy from a racist town in Dallas, rapping Atlanta cosplay saying atlanta slang.
Tyler's sentiment against the Ians of the rap game is THE FACT that it's a money driven push that essentitally fills up spaces that is meant for artists "like him" and even from B****** you can tell he was putting in way more work than this kid.
THE NIGGA WAS MAKING HIS OWN BEATS
What is Tyler saying that we don't already know or feel?
Will it lead to any change at all?
No, but we need to keep beating it into these niggas heads that its never cool
Cause if artists like tyler dont, we wont even have the option to discuss this s*** the way we are anymore. And then even more blatant cosplayers will make the genre look bad.
even if it dont lead fo change we gotta annoy ppl with this type of discourse fr. Like ian is not cool and will never be cool, idc if it falls on deaf ears imma scream it from the rooftops anyways.