You think Jay Z writes better hooks, and makes better beats

eminem sounds like a fake gangsta rapper

i like real gangsta rappers like jay-z

Im not even going to hold you.

Carry on, G.

That post was posted for the same reasons, you’re ignoring all the discussion

riff raff > eminem

Happy for you, G

megan thee stallion > eminem

Now this I can agree with.

If she sit on my face juust right, I won't hear whatever rappity lyrical criminal s*** Em be spitting

she's a real gangsta rapper unlike eminem

I agree

okay i admit to liking eminem but only because of dr. dre and 50 cent

Maybe not, but why are you cherry picking hooks when there is more to writing?

And why is making beats relevant when your post is about writing?

*songwriting includes beats and hooks.

Who do you think makes better concept songs?

Who do you think is more vocally dextrous and experimental?

vinnie paz > eminem

can eminem ever rap like this?

"Everybody a slave, only some are aware
That the government releasin' poison in the air
That's the reason I collect so many guns in my lair
I ain't never caught slippin', never underprepared, yeah
They Shaitan army, they display it proudly
George Bush the grandson of Aleister Crowley
They want you to believe the lie that the enemy Saudi
The enemy ain't Saudi, the enemy around me
There's fluoride in the water, but nobody know that
It's also a prominent ingredient in Prozac (For real?)
How could any government bestow that
Upon people who believe in political throwback?
That's not all that I'm here to present you
I know about the Black Pope in Solomon's Temple (Yeah)
About the Vatican assassins and how they will get you
And how they cloned Barack Hussein Obama in a test tube"

Absolutely

It includes a lot of things not just hooks, and sure a songwriter may write to the beat or work backwards, but they don't need to be the one to make the beat themselves that's irrelevant.

Songs, verses, albums ALL Jay-Z.

Jay for the first, Em for the second. But being more experimental doesn't make you a better writer, this is like the cinephiles crying about "range" 24/7.

What concept songs does Jay Z hafe that can hold up to Stan, Rabbit Run, Bad Guy, Lose Yourself and Kim?

Stan and Lose Yourself hella overrated, the chorus makes both songs what it was. And I don't care to hear how edgy and abusive he is.

Song Cry, 1-900-Hustler, Can I live, D'Evils, The Story of O.J. The whole American Gangster album lol.

Do you listen to Em only and not Jay? You legit have said Ye who is known for having writers is a better songwriter so I believe not.

You know Ye actually used to write for other artists?

He did skng arrangements for Jay Z on Encore, Lucifer and This Can't Be Life?

Wrote for Janet Jackson and Alicia Keys as well.

Im not even going to dignify the other nonsense you said with a comment... I've been listening to hip-hop as my favorite genre since 2001.

So because Ye is credited on other songs but has been known to not write his best work it makes him better than Jay? Gotcha lol

Saying that you only started listening to Hip Hop in 2001 to deflect from my question is funny, glad we can establish you don't listen to Jay-Z and only Em out of the two.

But yeah would be best if you don't respond because you can't argue against it, no need to continue further.

Ye writes, he just prefers to crowdsource ideas.

"I don't need writers, I might bounce ideas, but only I could come up with some s*** like this"

And I'm saying of all that as someone who used to actively dislike Ye.

I didn't deflect, I've been quoting Jay Z lyrics this entire thread and a***yzing his albums this entire thread, so I thought it was a bit daft to suggest I dont listen to him.

Like I said, I've consistently listened to rap as my primary genre for almost 25 years... one thing youre not going to do is imply that I don't know my hip-hop