THANOS

6y

why don't you try reading instead of trying to shame people about trying to learn about topics they clearly don't know about

So Illegal

6y

Typed a novel to pretty much say: “its hard to sell and other people are focusing on their own struggle”

I get what you saying but its not valid, people can be aware of more than one struggle at once, black trans people deal with racism and transphobia together, black women deal wit misogyny and racism together, and black gays deal with homophobia and racism together.

And its a lot easier than many people think to change people’s language, we just normalize new rules, which is what “pronouns in bio” people are attempting to do.

WopLaFlare

6y

people can be aware but if people are just out here trying to fight injustice in general then they’re in for a long life.

it’s an insurmountable fact that people are focused on their own struggle, and i’m of the belief that “the black struggle > the gay struggle” probably because i’m not gay but there are a lot of people like this, who find it hard to fight for the struggle of others while they are in fact still facing a struggle of their own. it’s just what it is.

that’s why i thought it was a bit selfish of the feminists and lgbt movements to talk the black movement’s moment and shift it to a fight for all equality before any legislation was even passed for black people, when it’s sooo hard to get people to care in the first place. but that’s a talk for a different time.

So Illegal

6y

Yea long as you admit you putting your struggle first because of your identity no one gonna be mad at you, they’ll know how you move

Just dont get so wrapped up in your struggle that you have negative knee jerk reaction to other struggles doing what they can to gain traction, there’s more than enough attention to go around I promise.

And yea, how quickly this summer’s protests went from burning police stations to doing ballet for a line of police was weird as hell but that’s a whole nother convo

jesuisadorable

6y

Answer my question then? Since you are a f***ing straight cisgender male why the f*** would you wanna identify yourself as something else?

WopLaFlare

6y

i feel like putting your pronoun in your bio wont help to normalize anything because people don’t really care as much as y’all would want them to. people don’t care because it’s not a big deal to them, they’ll just say to correct people when they f*** up. the amount of vitriol garnered every time someone questions this is egregious considering all black people have been through and it’s still people out here being called the N word. it’s laughable to the people i’m around day to day and i see the point but i can’t argue it to them because there are so many holes in the “why” of the conversation. it’s much harder to get people to want to change their language than you might think, you gotta have insurmountable logic when talking to some people. i understand why y’all do it, but how can i explain to someone who i know won’t care, and make them care? i have yet to see an answer to that other than “spare feelings”. while a common trope in the world i live in is “fuck peoples feelings”. because of that, pronouns in the bio is hard to sell to a nigga who see’s the fight black people are going thru, it’s laughable to most, understandably.

i am sasuke

6y

it starts a conversation and brings trans rights to peoples minds. the earlier we start doing it more, the less weird it is overall. if kids start doing it from a young age for instance, i think that could really set groundwork for a a more inclusive future when they're older

people aren't that rational and will believe things without any logic/proof, eg religion. arguing with people with a different set of core fundamental beliefs when there's an emotional element for them is impossible. you can of course try to phrase it in their terms, eg "christianity states that we treat others how we'd want to be treated" and things like that to make people more empathetic and view others as people rather than something really detached. however, it is generally very hard and id look into this book for one deeper explanation as to why: https://webhome.phy.duke.edu/~rgb/Philosophy/Axioms/axioms/axioms.html

of course blm, again, isn't about ending racism broadly right now, its about changing how the police operate in america. by focusing on specific, policy-based points and showing politicians that a huge number of their constituents wants change, it can begin to bring change. for instance, la and nyc pledged to lower police budgets (not really by much though lol) as a direct result of protests. again, since these changes go against a lot of peoples wishes, they naturally will be slow. theres also been a big push in policy changes to decriminalize weed and other super minor offenses that have put a lot of people (primarily black people) in jail. i think thats huge.
however, any amount of change will benefit us in the future, our kids in the future, etc.

similarly, pronouns are a very easy way to make trans people feel comfortable and normal, and to make people feel trans people are normal. obviously the practice of introductions with pronouns isnt too common now, but the more common it gets, the more we're setting up future generations better

non violent change tends to be slow
plus its better to try for that 5% chance rather than not do anything and have a 0% chance of change

jesuisadorable

6y

Answer my question then? Since you are a f***ing straight cisgender male why the f*** would you wanna identify yourself as something else?

Stay Healthy

6y

F*** identity. All of it

THANOS

6y

try reading the thread. it’s already been explained. and other users were able to explain my ignorance away without being condescending or smug. take a page from their book.

again, let me repeat this, if you are for the advancement of a more inclusive society (which i’m sure we all are), the behavior you’ve been exhibiting is completely counterintuitive to what we’re trying to achieve. idk why you’re getting mad at me for pointing out that objectively correct fact. direct your anger at the correct targets - i am not one of those.

and btw, going off your username/avi if you are a Kanye stan, someone who has continuously exhibited anti-black and behavior that upholds white supremacy, you have no right to sit up on your high horse and look down at me for my good faith ignorance. if you want to compare track records, just know that i am a law student focusing on racial/civil rights issues - i am literally dedicating my entire career for the advancement of a more inclusive society. if you are not a Ye stan and i made an incorrect assumption, feel free to disregard this last paragraph.

Stay Healthy

6y

F*** identity. All of it

I AM LOVE

6y

you cannot say (she/her)~ and forget the blacklivesmatter.carrd.co ACAB eat the rich

hot pancakes

6y

“please don’t quote me if you’re white” yet you are for the advancement of a more inclusive society 🤔🤔🤔🤔

THANOS

6y

i usually post in music, and i’m not interested in hearing white people’s opinions on hip hop (i even used the word “please”)

is me not wanting to talk to white people on a hip hop forum some type of oppression against your race?

but tell me, what are you doing to make the world a better place? how are you advancing for a more inclusive society?

THANOS

6y

i would consider and identify myself as a straight male

my ideology behind changing my pronouns is more geared towards wanting to move away from the idea of individualism.. i would want my pronouns to be "they/them" in an effort to always be referred to as a part of a collective (as in, when referring to 'me', you're never just referring to 'me', you're referring to my team/my collective, etc - even i would not refer to 'me', i would say 'we') whereas "he/him" makes me feel like an individual.

but i'm hesitant bc i feel like i would be barking up the wrong idea/misusing pronouns