Oct 17, 2020·1 replynot to say that past regimes that attempted socialism did nothing wrong. but still its a false equivalency
Oct 17, 2020
interstellarflyin2I cringed reading that dude's sentence lol
- Oct 17, 2020·1 reply
KOLLAPSLmao dude just dismissed all my questions too idek what I said that triggered him
im here to s*** talk capitalism not talk alternatives
- Oct 17, 2020·3 repliescoltrup
well for starters there is a distinction between socialism playing out wrong because of external factors like military intervention
and capitalism playing out "wrong" due to inherent flaws
so its kind of a strange comparison.
Lol no socialism plays out wrong (and especially would in a country like the US) because there is no way to achieve the end goal through peaceful means without the elite class and the inheritors of it consenting to this wealth redistribution. No matter how you put it. The most socialist nation will still have some sort of hierarchy. And most people today can’t even agree on what form of socialism they want. Do you leave it at market socialism? Do you go full blown communism? There’s not even a significant global movement towards this progression let alone a consensus of how far the progression should go among those in the movement.
So I mean if people wanna pretend that this is a feasible idea go ahead and discuss it all day but I’d rather discuss how we can target specific problems and try to fix them. If the free market is incapable or refuses to then I think it’s the government’s job to step in. But no the US and other powerful nations’ interference is not the sole reason that socialism hasn’t been successfully implemented anywhere (and I mean successful by 21st century standards.) Especially in comparison to the vast majority of capitalist nations.
And this is not to say that people shouldn’t discuss socialism or how to achieve it, I just personally see it as a massive waste of time and an honest disservice to the proletariat they claim to care about so much.
Also this is ALL assuming you agree with me that owning a massive amount of capital does not make it justifiable for you to be murdered by a mob of working class people nor does it make you guilty of any crime that should be punished by death should you resist to redistribute your capital. If not then we definitely have nothing to discuss.
- Oct 17, 2020nocomment
im here to s*** talk capitalism not talk alternatives
“I’m here to be in an echo chamber and not discuss ideas to tackle real life issues” but I’m the weak one 👍🏽
- Oct 17, 2020coltrup
not to say that past regimes that attempted socialism did nothing wrong. but still its a false equivalency
No it’s not I’m 100% against the military intervention you’re speaking of
This is a direct critique of socialism’s inherent issues
I would love for a socialist nation to be able to flourish so I could be proven wrong but unfortunately we haven’t been able to see that
- Oct 17, 2020·1 replyKOLLAPS
Lol no socialism plays out wrong (and especially would in a country like the US) because there is no way to achieve the end goal through peaceful means without the elite class and the inheritors of it consenting to this wealth redistribution. No matter how you put it. The most socialist nation will still have some sort of hierarchy. And most people today can’t even agree on what form of socialism they want. Do you leave it at market socialism? Do you go full blown communism? There’s not even a significant global movement towards this progression let alone a consensus of how far the progression should go among those in the movement.
So I mean if people wanna pretend that this is a feasible idea go ahead and discuss it all day but I’d rather discuss how we can target specific problems and try to fix them. If the free market is incapable or refuses to then I think it’s the government’s job to step in. But no the US and other powerful nations’ interference is not the sole reason that socialism hasn’t been successfully implemented anywhere (and I mean successful by 21st century standards.) Especially in comparison to the vast majority of capitalist nations.
And this is not to say that people shouldn’t discuss socialism or how to achieve it, I just personally see it as a massive waste of time and an honest disservice to the proletariat they claim to care about so much.
Also this is ALL assuming you agree with me that owning a massive amount of capital does not make it justifiable for you to be murdered by a mob of working class people nor does it make you guilty of any crime that should be punished by death should you resist to redistribute your capital. If not then we definitely have nothing to discuss.
deeply confused by this post
so any change that requires some kind of violence/disobedience is excluded on face? how do you expect to tackle vested interests then?
do you not support BLM because they burned down a police precinct?
- Oct 17, 2020·edited·4 replies
Would Ktt2 exist if it wasn’t for capitalism and the concept of a free market?
- Oct 17, 2020·1 replyKOLLAPS
Lol no socialism plays out wrong (and especially would in a country like the US) because there is no way to achieve the end goal through peaceful means without the elite class and the inheritors of it consenting to this wealth redistribution. No matter how you put it. The most socialist nation will still have some sort of hierarchy. And most people today can’t even agree on what form of socialism they want. Do you leave it at market socialism? Do you go full blown communism? There’s not even a significant global movement towards this progression let alone a consensus of how far the progression should go among those in the movement.
So I mean if people wanna pretend that this is a feasible idea go ahead and discuss it all day but I’d rather discuss how we can target specific problems and try to fix them. If the free market is incapable or refuses to then I think it’s the government’s job to step in. But no the US and other powerful nations’ interference is not the sole reason that socialism hasn’t been successfully implemented anywhere (and I mean successful by 21st century standards.) Especially in comparison to the vast majority of capitalist nations.
And this is not to say that people shouldn’t discuss socialism or how to achieve it, I just personally see it as a massive waste of time and an honest disservice to the proletariat they claim to care about so much.
Also this is ALL assuming you agree with me that owning a massive amount of capital does not make it justifiable for you to be murdered by a mob of working class people nor does it make you guilty of any crime that should be punished by death should you resist to redistribute your capital. If not then we definitely have nothing to discuss.
"So I mean if people wanna pretend that this is a feasible idea go ahead and discuss it all day but I’d rather discuss how we can target specific problems and try to fix them."
this is your problem. you cannot resolve problems created by a certain system without overturning that system in some capacity
- Oct 17, 202024stills· edited
Would Ktt2 exist if it wasn’t for capitalism and the concept of a free market?
- Oct 17, 2020·1 replycoltrup
deeply confused by this post
so any change that requires some kind of violence/disobedience is excluded on face? how do you expect to tackle vested interests then?
do you not support BLM because they burned down a police precinct?
I support the idea that Black lives should have the same protections as everyone else in this country. I support BLM. I don’t support a specific group of people burning down a precinct in the name of BLM. I support prosecuting and convicting police officers who commit crimes against humanity.
- Oct 17, 202024stills· edited
Would Ktt2 exist if it wasn’t for capitalism and the concept of a free market?
No
- Oct 17, 2020·1 reply
What about the best music and art forms created?
Only thing that stinks is Monsanto and gmo foods.
- Oct 17, 202024stills
What about the best music and art forms created?
Only thing that stinks is Monsanto and gmo foods.
“Marx was a big proponent of the arts” somehow explains how we’ll have time to equally fund arts and ending world hunger and homelessness 💀
- Oct 17, 2020·2 repliesKOLLAPS
I support the idea that Black lives should have the same protections as everyone else in this country. I support BLM. I don’t support a specific group of people burning down a precinct in the name of BLM. I support prosecuting and convicting police officers who commit crimes against humanity.
lets just ask the ultra rich to nicely stop cannibalizing the planet and its people
its funny because im not even in the "execute elon on sight" camp but the idea that you cant even destroy a damn police building (esp when no one got hurt
) is absurd. no real change is going to come out of that.
- Oct 17, 2020·1 replycoltrup
"So I mean if people wanna pretend that this is a feasible idea go ahead and discuss it all day but I’d rather discuss how we can target specific problems and try to fix them."
this is your problem. you cannot resolve problems created by a certain system without overturning that system in some capacity
And I’m saying this system cannot be overturned without a violent revolution. I oppose this.
I do not think owning capital makes it justifiable for you to be murdered should you not want to redistribute it.
But hey, maybe I’m wrong and it is possible and until that happens I actually couldn’t care less about it. I enjoy listening to socialist philosophy when I’m bored and want humanitarian inspiration.
But it’s not going to be practiced by any world power ANY time soon. Especially the US.
- Oct 17, 2020·1 replycoltrup
lets just ask the ultra rich to nicely stop cannibalizing the planet and its people
its funny because im not even in the "execute elon on sight" camp but the idea that you cant even destroy a damn police building (esp when no one got hurt
) is absurd. no real change is going to come out of that.
What real change came out of burning that building?
- Oct 17, 2020·1 replyKOLLAPS
And I’m saying this system cannot be overturned without a violent revolution. I oppose this.
I do not think owning capital makes it justifiable for you to be murdered should you not want to redistribute it.
But hey, maybe I’m wrong and it is possible and until that happens I actually couldn’t care less about it. I enjoy listening to socialist philosophy when I’m bored and want humanitarian inspiration.
But it’s not going to be practiced by any world power ANY time soon. Especially the US.
yeah your belief system makes zero sense lol
no one is saying every capitalist should be guillotined on the spot, but it is clear that the end of capitalism is a near necessity at this point.
if they interfere with radical change then obv people will have to retaliate. otherwise let them be.
- Oct 17, 2020·1 replyKOLLAPS
What real change came out of burning that building?
i asked you about whether you supported it, i never made a claim about it creating real change or whatever
- Oct 17, 2020·2 repliescoltrup
lets just ask the ultra rich to nicely stop cannibalizing the planet and its people
its funny because im not even in the "execute elon on sight" camp but the idea that you cant even destroy a damn police building (esp when no one got hurt
) is absurd. no real change is going to come out of that.
And maybe the solution isn’t asking the rich for anything? You can take power away from people without killing them. We can all stop shopping at Amazon right now but we’d rather get mad at Bezos and keep the luxury of Prime Delivery while pretending that if all the employees of Amazon owned a share relative to how much profit they make for the company that it would make even remotely the amount of innovative strides it’s made in the last decade.
- Oct 17, 2020coltrup
i asked you about whether you supported it, i never made a claim about it creating real change or whatever
I do not support it specifically because it makes no real change
I’m not a little Trump baby crying about property damage when people are dying
But burning that building or literally any building does nothing unless it’s filled with white supremacists
And even that I’m fully against but at least it’d be something
- Oct 17, 2020·4 repliesKOLLAPS
And maybe the solution isn’t asking the rich for anything? You can take power away from people without killing them. We can all stop shopping at Amazon right now but we’d rather get mad at Bezos and keep the luxury of Prime Delivery while pretending that if all the employees of Amazon owned a share relative to how much profit they make for the company that it would make even remotely the amount of innovative strides it’s made in the last decade.
where do you even start with takes like these lol
- Oct 17, 2020coltrup
where do you even start with takes like these lol
So you’re saying it’d be easier to get Jeff Bezos and every share holder of Amazon to just give up their stock (even if through violent means) in order to reappropriate those shares to the employees than to collectively stop shopping there?
- Oct 17, 2020coltrup
where do you even start with takes like these lol
People are free to stop buying Teslas whenever they want
