Jan 11, 2022
eye contactFree will / free speech is an intangible concept created by white European philosophers to rationalize rich capitalists become detached from their social responsibilities through capitalism and colonialism
Free will isn’t really a thing. You’ll always be tied to the community and society you inhabit and all that you do will be caused by it and effective upon it.
It’s better to first solve material problems of your community that collectively inhibit the concept of freedom (social needs, shelter, sustenance, transportation) than to immediately grant the intangible, lofty concepts of free will
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DVLPRThe free will vs determinism debate goes way beyond capitalism vs communism. You’re not ONLY tied to to your community and society, it goes all the way back to the very beginning of the universe. Nobody and nothing has free will
I’m in total agreement, but the concept of free will in itself was not a philosophical concept until the advent of capitalism. That’s more of what the meat of my comment aimed to touch on
- Jan 11, 2022eye contact
Free will / free speech is an intangible concept created by white European philosophers to rationalize rich capitalists become detached from their social responsibilities through capitalism and colonialism
Free will isn’t really a thing. You’ll always be tied to the community and society you inhabit and all that you do will be caused by it and effective upon it.
It’s better to first solve material problems of your community that collectively inhibit the concept of freedom (social needs, shelter, sustenance, transportation) than to immediately grant the intangible, lofty concepts of free will
- Jan 11, 2022le epic poster xD
If you had free will you would be a literal god
Nirvana
- Jan 11, 2022·1 replyDVLPR
Absolutely everything is pre determined (imo). Now, that also means that you don’t even get to choose whether you believe that everything is pre determined or not. IF believing so makes you a self pity or dangerous person (it’s not my case), that also wouldn't be under your control.
In a deterministic world, some people are blessed and some are cursed. One could say that those who believe in free will are blessed, just like when people say that ignorance is bliss.
In my personal experience, being a hard determinist has not really changed anything. At the end of the day, I still act as if I could make decisions, I can’t help it, I’m still human at the end of the day.
The world cannot be determinist by any modern mathematical frameworks by physics
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Define Free Will
- Jan 11, 2022DVLPR
It happens with pride, guilt, resentment, etc… a lot of things lose their “charm” when you consider determinism, and it’s because that’s what these things are, charms. They’re products of the illusion of free will.
The thing is, as a human being, you can’t help it. You will still feel proud of yourself or others sometimes, you will resent things, blame others or yourself, etc. The illusion of free will eventually gets you. It’s probably a human defense mechanism or something.
Read Sapolsky
Jan 11, 2022eye contactI’m in total agreement, but the concept of free will in itself was not a philosophical concept until the advent of capitalism. That’s more of what the meat of my comment aimed to touch on
False. The problem of free will has existed at least since the time of ancient Greek philosophy.
Jan 11, 2022you absolutely must remove the “human element” for a discussion like this
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the non-determinism of particles a la quantum physics does not prove that a being can freely choose what they do during life. humanity currently doesnt undertsand enough, though maybe in our lifetimes we will actually find more answers
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but @op questions like this are VERY good
this may boil down to it being 2022 not 2070
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Thread needs to free will sum b****es
Jan 11, 2022don’t think too hard, everything on a spectrum
Jan 11, 2022·2 repliesis this appropriate for the thread?
Jan 11, 2022·editedEveryone has free will, when you exercise your own free will, others have options to react to your actions using their own free will. Choosing the environment you inhabit is not a subject of your own will, choosing how you operate within it is.
Jan 11, 2022·1 reply
KAYTRANADAScience already disproved free will
This is stupid bro hope you’re kidding
- Jan 11, 2022·3 replieseye contact
I’m in total agreement, but the concept of free will in itself was not a philosophical concept until the advent of capitalism. That’s more of what the meat of my comment aimed to touch on
But the concept of free will is in the bible, no? Way before capitalism. The fact that capitalists use the concept of free will to justify their actions and beliefs does not mean that they created it.
- Jan 11, 2022·1 replyYuzzy
The world cannot be determinist by any modern mathematical frameworks by physics
If it can’t be determinist then how are choices made?
rvi 🦜Jan 11, 2022LouI find this to be one of the least enlightening things to ask or think about
- Jan 11, 2022·1 replyDVLPR
But the concept of free will is in the bible, no? Way before capitalism. The fact that capitalists use the concept of free will to justify their actions and beliefs does not mean that they created it.
The concept may have not been created then but our modern understanding of the idea of free will is directly cited from, and originated from, enlightenment era thinker
Jan 11, 2022https://twitter.com/jstein_wapo/status/1480164452943208451Louis this appropriate for the thread?
I think history is a chaotic system, and these structural forces can create attractors within that system. But the hallmark of a chaotic system is that unpredictability and randomness emerges out of seemingly deterministic forces
But it's easy to dismiss this because of confirmation bias and so on. Like think of Vasili Arkhipov
If he fired that nuclear torpedo at us, the world fundamentally changes, but we would retroactively be like "yeah this made perfect sense, the structural antagonism between the imperialists and the USSR created a cold war that shaped this one soldiers life and lead him to nuke us"
But he chose NOT to fire the torpedo and here we are. Something to think about
Jan 11, 2022·1 replySo because we are born in certain circumstances that means we don't have free will? Lol
- Jan 11, 2022·1 replyeye contact
The concept may have not been created then but our modern understanding of the idea of free will is directly cited from, and originated from, enlightenment era thinker
Dude free will is a pretty big theme of monotheism. Think of the garden of Eden
- Jan 11, 2022·2 replies
Free will exists on a smaller scale
Like right now I could choose to fly across the country or stay home and play Apex
Its a menial choice but its still a choice. There are no overbearing forces making me do one or the either
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Not everything is about capitalism