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  • May 11, 2025
    Freight

    Maybe not trash but New York hasn’t been relevant since 50 and the West Coast would be just as irrelevant if it wasn’t for Kendrick

    Also for east coast
    Pop smoke, dipset, A$AP Rocky lil Uzi vert, ice spice, cardi B, Nicki minaj, meek mill, a boogie wit a hoodie, Joey badass, mac miller, wale, sleepy hallow, sheff G, MIKE, Griselda

    Since you didn’t say anything about Midwest that opens a whole lot more

  • May 11, 2025
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    Water Giver

    Niggas wanna be Pac and Jay Z not Big

    how dare you disrespect rap legend Guerilla Black

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    Water Giver

    Also if we want a convo, let's talk bout how many niggas want to be and are directly, clearly, influenced by Pac including east coast

    While the same cannot be the same nowhere near for Big outside of Rick Ross, ASAP Ferg and the few clones Puff dugged up in the 00s - if we want a even realer convo

    Keep in mind big is one of the most quoted rappers of all time and his music is embedded into the history and identity of the entire genre

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    Andre Jaquet

    Keep in mind big is one of the most quoted rappers of all time and his music is embedded into the history and identity of the entire genre

    So is 2Pac lol

    Still, people only want to actually be one over the other and base their whole career off of

  • May 11, 2025
    NorthShoreWhiteGuy

    how dare you disrespect rap legend Guerilla Black

    My apologies 😔😔🤘

  • May 11, 2025

    Everything they say for Big you can say for Pac PLUS more

    Kinda crazy tbh

  • May 11, 2025
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    Water Giver

    So is 2Pac lol

    Still, people only want to actually be one over the other and base their whole career off of

    Biggie was a tremendous artist and talent, not an icon on the level of Pac. Pac was and for some still is the face of rap. Of course the aspiration discussions will favor Pac.

    Biggie still made better music while he was alive tho

  • May 11, 2025
    Noir

    Biggie was a tremendous artist and talent, not an icon on the level of Pac. Pac was and for some still is the face of rap. Of course the aspiration discussions will favor Pac.

    Biggie still made better music while he was alive tho

    Too bad only the Tri State agrees, even when they were alive

  • May 11, 2025
    Freight

    You listed Kendrick and a bunch of B and C-listers man. And Mac Miller is West Coast now?

    2010s YG + Schoolboy Q and then Tyler to this day was outselling all of Atlanta

    If you want to start classifying "B-listers" lol

  • May 11, 2025

    Niggas wanna talk about numbers till it comes to they numbers

  • May 11, 2025
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    Water Giver

    Also if we want a convo, let's talk bout how many niggas want to be and are directly, clearly, influenced by Pac including east coast

    While the same cannot be the same nowhere near for Big outside of Rick Ross, ASAP Ferg and the few clones Puff dugged up in the 00s - if we want a even realer convo

    I agree with your main point. There is people like Pusha who still cosplay Big a lot tho tbh and quote him a lot. Also consider that when you say people wanna be Jay Z, jay made quoting big a whole sub genre, and wanting to be Jay basically equates to wanting to be Big.

  • May 11, 2025

    I have more s*** I wanna rant about but I'm tryna keep it cool and light 😔😔😮‍💨

  • May 11, 2025
    2words

    I agree with your main point. There is people like Pusha who still cosplay Big a lot tho tbh and quote him a lot. Also consider that when you say people wanna be Jay Z, jay made quoting big a whole sub genre, and wanting to be Jay basically equates to wanting to be Big.

    While Pusha is directly influenced by Pacs actual Rapping

    The quoting thing makes no sense because they are both probably the most quoted rappers of all time, literally, and Big does not outweigh it significantly

    I agree with Jay as well, who also has his own 2Pac cosplays he pops out every now and then as well - my point was tho for people itt egregiously suggesting Pac has no motion while blatantly lying, that people dont agree with their talltales when they were alive and even in death - from fans to literal other artists

    Big is enjoyed n respected a lot, but honestly he has not influenced a lot. There are way more East Rappers way more influencial in sound and style overall

    Kinda like the Drake vs Kendrick debates in a way. Even tho I'm way more a Kendrick fan.

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    Jay Z's first major radio song that went beyond Rap was a 2Pac cosplay remix with Beyonce

    Me and my Girlfriend

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    Noir

    Biggie was a tremendous artist and talent, not an icon on the level of Pac. Pac was and for some still is the face of rap. Of course the aspiration discussions will favor Pac.

    Biggie still made better music while he was alive tho

    No he didn’t. Only rolling stone writers think that lol. For some reason a lot of “album centric” critics and hipsters prefer bigs catalog and I think the album art and singles mostly sold them. There’s a very interesting and strange cognitive dissonance at play here. These are the same people who decided pac wasn’t lyrical.

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    Water Giver

    Jay Z's first major radio song that went beyond Rap was a 2Pac cosplay remix with Beyonce

    Me and my Girlfriend

    And his first rap radio hits were all leaching off big’s legacy

  • May 11, 2025
    2words

    And his first rap radio hits were all leaching off big’s legacy

    Didn't go beyond till Pac tho which he was trying to to do for so long, and that was just the first major instance

    Jay is high-key one of the biggest biters tho, and tried to fuse the essence of both Big n Pac

    Pacs style and Bigs rhymes

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    2words

    No he didn’t. Only rolling stone writers think that lol. For some reason a lot of “album centric” critics and hipsters prefer bigs catalog and I think the album art and singles mostly sold them. There’s a very interesting and strange cognitive dissonance at play here. These are the same people who decided pac wasn’t lyrical.

    NYC specifically Hot97 also did a lot of propaganda against Pac after Big died

    That's literally where the "Pac isn't lyrical" narrative started n the blown out Hennessy jokes n s*** started too, even tho Pac was considered lyrical when alive and people like Nas told them they're wrong after Pac died

    Then in the 2000s they started saying his catalog has too many "misses" even tho it was beloved alive and still selling like crazy

    Then the 2010s they started doing the "people loved him for his spirit, not the music" bullshit

    Literally like some Cold War s***

  • May 11, 2025
    2words

    No he didn’t. Only rolling stone writers think that lol. For some reason a lot of “album centric” critics and hipsters prefer bigs catalog and I think the album art and singles mostly sold them. There’s a very interesting and strange cognitive dissonance at play here. These are the same people who decided pac wasn’t lyrical.

    I just go by my ears, f*** a critic

    Biggie had the better flow and pen, and yeah, Ready to Die has top 5 rap album credentials. But I was raised east coast so idk

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    Water Giver

    Idk

    But I do know Pacs side quest alone also has

    Pour Out a Little Liquor (which was the biggest from it when he was alive iirc)

    Bury Me A G

    Cradle to the Grave

    And the f***in soundtrack classic Str8 Ballin lmao

    Y'all already talkin bout Machine Gun Funk and Gimme the Loot which aren't even actual chart hits

    But even in that vein we got s*** like If I Die 2nite, Violent, Hail Mary, Can't C Me etc.

    I’ll take gimme the loot over every single song u just named

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    2words

    No he didn’t. Only rolling stone writers think that lol. For some reason a lot of “album centric” critics and hipsters prefer bigs catalog and I think the album art and singles mostly sold them. There’s a very interesting and strange cognitive dissonance at play here. These are the same people who decided pac wasn’t lyrical.

    Ready to die better than any pac album argue wit ya auntie more consistent, better flows, consistently amazing hooks, every song is amazing

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    Andre Jaquet

    I’ll take gimme the loot over every single song u just named

    Personal opinion injected 🚨

  • May 11, 2025
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    Water Giver

    Personal opinion injected 🚨

    ya

  • May 11, 2025
    Andre Jaquet

    ya

    L

  • May 11, 2025
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    2words

    No he didn’t. Only rolling stone writers think that lol. For some reason a lot of “album centric” critics and hipsters prefer bigs catalog and I think the album art and singles mostly sold them. There’s a very interesting and strange cognitive dissonance at play here. These are the same people who decided pac wasn’t lyrical.

    Give me 1 (one) 2pac album as consistent, tight, focused, exceptional, and conceptual as ready to die. One with 0 weak songs (ignoring interludes obviously)

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