that too, if you dont like the music expressing that why call for abolishing the music and not changing the society the music reflects? and since when is hip hop the only genre that does this, like theres so many levels of why it doesnt make sense

10 pages? Yikes

the guy who said america is far right in comparison to the rest of the world apparently africa, the middle east, most of asia, and parts (idk south america like that so i wont say all) of south america is super progressive compared to america like wtf
compared to europe, (maybe aussie idk aussie politics) and canada sure. living in Jordan rn and god what in the world are we on about

"rap should die" to "ZOG conspiracies" in 3 pages, the right wing call may be coming from inside the house

Jesus so many users proudly embarrassing themselves page after page

People still fall for Israels Pinkwashing

yea holon i aint even catch that

Perhaps a better definition would be that rap is (or most of the famous and widely-known rappers are) conservative or reactionary. As an American genre that only came into being in the 80s rap is a product of the material reality of America at that time: scarcity. America wields scarcity against it's citizens to compel them participate in capitalist fantasy. You could perhaps condemn some of these rappers for not being critical enough of the systems around them, but I don't think that necessarily betrays anything about their politics.

Being that rap is so young I think we see a lot of conservatism too in the idea of an "old guard" (Jay-Z, Nas, Snoop Dogg). As the genre they helped birth moves on without them fans seem to be unable to accept change, forcing rap to always fit into the mold that they used for it 30+ years ago. This stifles the genre and sets the ceiling too low for other artists to make the genre their own and push it into different places, which is inherently conservative.

am i tripping for saying if i see a guy thats pro trans, pro palestine, pro choice, advocates for free healthcare and s*** but just doesnt think the us should become communist or socialist that i wouldnt label that guy right wing??

bro "just wants to talk about it". you can fool these white people on here but I have been hearing that s*** my whole life.

who is this imaginary guy

youre just talking about yourself my friend. and yes if you're not willing to confront the system then what you want doesn't matter because these things require system change.

"who is this imaginary guy" what? do you not go outside?? u could take the free healthcare part out and thats like a majority of normal people who claim to be left wing in the US and canada how popular do you think socialism or communism is?? those people are not RIGHT WING

ok but so what

I already understand why palestinian guerillas or muslim peasants in india are communists and slob americans aren't. has nothing to do with some gap in information.

youre just arguing with yourself, mate. most people if pushed a little would admit capitalism is unsustainable, even its postmodern defenders (best system that's been tried, etc.). the idea that black people, latinos, natives, or migrants have similar political concerns as white settlers who want social democracy is just incorrect. per malcolm x and george jackson, america is a prison house of nations and we are mostly a colonized people. we demand land and reparations and socialism.

Where is the conspiracy in what I said?

Another reactionary tendency in rap music (really all music but because of the disparity facing most rappers I think this idea is more pronounced) is the idea of "making it". It's often touted as this celebration of overcoming all sorts of obstacles and succeeding against all odds. In reality it is fulfilling the endgame of the capitalist system: the artist has reached the most marketable point of their career and has been subsumed by the capitalist system to the point of having personhood replaced by commodity. But again, this is just a reaction to the material reality of living in the capitalist world, and you can point at reactionaries on all sides of the political spectrum.

so what? thats the ENTIRE point of the conversation im glad we agree those ppl arent right wing.

what is a "jewish company"? There are Jewish people, not companies. This is commonly referred to as a dogwhistle, you can look it up if you're interested

To your last point I think hip-hop can be fundamentally changed or replaced by something else that would actually be a new revolutionary art form. Maybe instead of American music it could be a foreign genre, but it would have to be a new wave who creates it

I mean white/Jewish which I think are the same both have direct influence over the narratives of hiphop

I mean yeah I would definitely say the western world is more far right ideologically because the basis of their ideology is the oppression and dehumanization of most of the world population

ah u edited
i dont care for ur arguments for why socialism is better rn to be honest. thats not relevant, and i have not been making any arguments for capitalism being better. we just cant brand people as right wing just because they dont believe socialism or communism is the answer. that doesnt purely determine whether someone is right wing. which we agree on. glad we could reach a conclusion on that

I think I understand what you're saying, but my understanding of the problem is really that white supremacy had a hand in birthing rap (it was born in a white supremacist country), nothing really to do with the ethnicities of record execs or whoever was heading the corporate side of the deal. White supremacists unfortunately come from every ethnicity.

i mean it’s no secret that Jewish people were the ones who ran the sheet music publishing industry and started the rhythm and blues industry by establishing independent labels to acquire and push and co-write (really have an ownership stake) on the music coming out of the south so…Jewish companies ain’t really far off when you look at the history of which community was in major control of the aspects by which music was spread as they developed the industry into what it is today lmfao and while they developed said industry, didn’t necessarily create a way by which those who were being syphoned talent could necessarily know they were being screwed cause of contract jargon the established entity has had in place for decades and centuries that precedes us, it gets a lot more complicated.

I don’t think all of those legendary artists would specifically complain about one group if they didn’t discover how deep the web of control goes all because a certain demographic was the first to acquire the industry and learn everything about it and how to control it.

and I don’t say this to blame, but we do know how much the people in said positions have screwed talent for decades upon decades due to, again, these systems that they established, learned about, and did nothing to fix

Wait so @Andre_Mackonen youre not even black but ure in here saying pan africanism is harmful!!! Racist!!!!