i think a more interesting conversation is why exactly female artists get all this s*** and critique for using their bodies to promote and sell their music, when being attractive and having s***appeal is essentially a perennial aspect of any music superstar lmao

literally just about any global act you can think of is attractive in one way another, Prince, Michael Jackson, Jimi Hendrix, Bowie, hell Selena (the Spanish singer) like there’s a thousand examples

i don’t get why it’s such a one sided issue just for women

Only? You must be stupid

What a terrible stinky garbage ass thread

Literally, get a life

7 pages of discussion over a lie (op) and a “pop singer” on a rap forum

Having just checked the Apple Music charts,

KTT only exists to talk about s*** they could talk about on Twitter

because Kash Doll never made Say So dumbass

stream it fatty @op

break it down to them

doja was outrapping most of y’all favs before she even popped off properly

its a one sided issue for women in discourse because even outside of entertainment value is largely prescribed to women by society (subconsciously or otherwise) based on aesthetics/appearance. this isn't to say male value isn't also defined by such, but the "hero journey" archetype (or comparable) is a traditionally male-focused system, so in the collective unconscious people arent really applying outside values to female artists unless they go extremely actively out of their way to distinguish themselves as not playing into such - men dont have to make that immediate distinction, they have the more fluid freedom to not have that assumption made about them but also take advantage of people's draw to aesthetics. when female artists play into sexuality, its not seen as a duality or parallel to a value system - it's seen directly as playing into that aesthetic value solely, ironically even by people who may otherwise decry typecasting women as sexual objects. sexual prowess or attractiveness from women is essentially seen culturally as in and of itself intrinsic value whereas for men its seen as an aspect of a wider presentation

This song is cool

Shame the chartwatchers have got their narrative

proving s*** that don’t need to be proved

lmaoo

let’s troll

Kash Doll made “Ice Me Out” which is imo on par with Ice Spice “Say So”

lmaoooooooooooo

flopped

I’m a history major the light skinned hierarchy goes back to the days of segregation and even periods before that

it’s not

Depends on your circle I mean Doja is alright I guess but she’s falling off. Not saying she’s but but she has a unfair advantage

KTT fell off , chart watchers destroyed this website

I think an audience of men would watch Sylvester Stallone or Arnie be glistening beefcakes and regard their aesthetics objectively, but not sexually. At least not consciously.

With women, they can't appreciate the aesthetic without acknowledging the sexuality, and that feels like a contaminant.

So a "purely aesthetic appeal" will always be the realm of the male.

she objectively is not falling off. not even close.