Oct 13, 2023
fiveprestosSomeone on tiktok took a screen recording of the snapchat globe feature where you can look at snap stories tagged under israel and snap stories tagged under palestine. I’m out rn but I encourage someone to find it on twitter or something and post it ITT
- Oct 13, 2023Bergrat
Ah that's also why the Muslim Brotherhood was forbidden right?
I believe so
- Oct 13, 2023bandslabands
By who ? All of EU agrees with the US and Russia is in a losing war so that legit leaves no one to support Gaza at all
Yeah thats what happens when there's a hegemony
China ig but they don't like Muslims either
Oct 13, 2023·1 replyhttps://twitter.com/Lowkey0nline/status/1712865001776591022https://twitter.com/sarasidnerCNN/status/1712415116363169884eye contact· editedThese people keep their jobs with blood on their hands. infuriating
- Oct 13, 2023·1 replyOffline
I suspect you think there is, in fact, no rightful division of land between Israel and Palestine (me as well, although of course I think the real outrage committed by the British was when they fomented Arab Revolt and destroyed the Ottoman Empire in the Near East), the problem is that even by 1945, ~30% (and for obvious reasons, growing) of the population thought that there must be a division of the land and was willing to use violence to achieve its goals (similar scenario to how Partition came about in India). We can say Partition (in both Palestine and India) was a mistake in hindsight, but, for this reason, at the time, it seemed like a good way to reduce bloodshed. To be frank, I'm not sure what exactly my fellow Redditors are saying, but I imagine and hope the point they're trying to get at is not that the 1948 plan was amazing, but that it's better than what has come since.
I would take a stronger stand against the idea that the main agents in 1948 were foreign powers... the Zionists exercised agency in forcing the State of Israel to be on the table (and bringing the West along for the ride), and the Palestinians exercised agency in rejecting the plan (and bringing the Arab states along for the ride). An interesting point is that the Soviet Union voted in favor of the plan, while Britain abstained. Zionists also fought an armed insurgency against the British, so I don't see Israel as an Anglo-American creation, nor do I think Hamas or Hezbollah are directed from Tehran... in fact, I would say that local actors are almost always the ones who put events into motion and force the "Great Powers" in Washington or London or Moscow to react, we see this as well with start of the Donbas War in 2014.
I do think that the framework of faith was much stronger then, than now
It just seems ridiculous that a secular state with international oversight didn’t seem like a preferable option for those who had control over the situation (the US/USSR)
- Oct 13, 2023·2 replies
Tbh I think Gaza just needed to agree with a 2 state solution years ago this is a completely losing war they're never going to ever win ...
It made sense back in the 20th century where they had the Pan Arab unity and soviet support but that was decades ago that s*** is all dead now and Israel is an even more advanced militarized country
- Oct 13, 2023bandslabands
Tbh I think Gaza just needed to agree with a 2 state solution years ago this is a completely losing war they're never going to ever win ...
It made sense back in the 20th century where they had the Pan Arab unity and soviet support but that was decades ago that s*** is all dead now and Israel is an even more advanced militarized country
Israel doesn’t want a two state solution lol.
- Oct 13, 2023eye contact
I do think that the framework of faith was much stronger then, than now
It just seems ridiculous that a secular state with international oversight didn’t seem like a preferable option for those who had control over the situation (the US/USSR)
Maybe it would have been, but how would that be much different than the British Mandate (which both Palestinian and Zionist groups fought against)? I don't particularly trust either the Soviets or the Americans to be good watchmen of this hypothetical Palestine, only intervening to prevent violence. And again, the issue is that the Palestinians, and certainly the Zionists, do not want a secular/multi-ethnic state (I am a bit more generous to the Palestinians in that they might accept the Jewish population already there, but very obviously they would not tolerate anywhere close to the Jewish immigration of our world).
- Oct 13, 2023·1 reply
- Oct 13, 2023
Unironic ideal Israel-Palestine borders. The worst thing happening today would be occasional Jewish vs Arab riot in Jaffa
Oct 13, 2023bandslabandsTbh I think Gaza just needed to agree with a 2 state solution years ago this is a completely losing war they're never going to ever win ...
It made sense back in the 20th century where they had the Pan Arab unity and soviet support but that was decades ago that s*** is all dead now and Israel is an even more advanced militarized country
They did. And here we are nonetheless
Oct 13, 2023·1 replyBergratWhy is Egypt keeping the border closed btw?
If they open, Palestinians will seek refuge, and Israelis will eventually settle in, so it's a choice between facilitating genocide or the end of Palestinian statehood
Oct 13, 2023best posterThese people keep their jobs with blood on their hands. infuriating
just going to get put in timeout for a lil bit like Brian Williams if anything happens at all
- Oct 13, 2023·1 reply
Again if you have the chance to stand in solidarity in real life with palestinians in America I cant recommend it enough
- Oct 13, 2023·1 replyWASHINGTON
If they open, Palestinians will seek refuge, and Israelis will eventually settle in, so it's a choice between facilitating genocide or the end of Palestinian statehood
So they chose facilating genocide? Think the earlier given explanation more reliable
- Oct 13, 2023·1 replyOHMNI
Again if you have the chance to stand in solidarity in real life with palestinians in America I cant recommend it enough
My solidarity means s*** The US already chose Israel long before we were born and older ones love Israel for sum odd reason ...
Including my own Dad he never talks about politics until he brought up how we need to help Israel
- Oct 13, 2023·2 replieshttps://twitter.com/ytirawi/status/1712871768195469318Uncle Jack
This looks staged af lmao
- Oct 13, 2023bandslabands
My solidarity means s*** The US already chose Israel long before we were born and older ones love Israel for sum odd reason ...
Including my own Dad he never talks about politics until he brought up how we need to help Israel
Solidarity means s*** to Palestinians there that love seeing people there that may not be Palestinian but still care about them and informed. I would know cause they told me and made clear how much they appreciated it. Also as wild as it may seem to you at a Palestinian protest as a black person we are treated better than they are in some cases by the police that view them as the threat.
- Oct 13, 2023Bergrat
This looks staged af lmao
Anytime people know they’re on camera it’s staged
It’s an inevitability of documenting one’s own actions
- Oct 13, 2023Bergrat
This looks staged af lmao
The ending kills me
- Oct 13, 2023
The nation that started it all.
United Kingdom the great sponsors of fundamentalists
Oct 13, 2023·5 repliesAnyone in America needs to move out of big cities. Our government/president is setting us up to be attacked again with their reckless support and talk in the media.
- Oct 13, 2023·1 replySonic Winter
Anyone in America needs to move out of big cities. Our government/president is setting us up to be attacked again with their reckless support and talk in the media.
Relax Jesus Christ
Fact this is your biggest concern and not the impending genocide is weird
Oct 13, 2023·1 replySonic WinterAnyone in America needs to move out of big cities. Our government/president is setting us up to be attacked again with their reckless support and talk in the media.
It really is not that deep for the US rn man lmao
- Oct 13, 2023
Liberals are weird f***in people man