I'm on episode 4 and im loving this. Actually wished I followed it while it was ongoing to get involved with the discussions here instead of waiting to watch it all at once
I get why y’all are mad that it feels like Van is expected to get a pass for participating in all that s*** but you need to take a f***ing step back from the character - she doesn’t even know who she is so what substance do you have to base your favor of her on? I have personally never liked van on this show, but I definitely felt the most interest in her or got the most out of her in this episode. I don’t know if someone already brought this up but Van was about to kill herself in a car just like we saw the white b****es do in the first episode. That’s where she’s at mentally but obviously has had a completely different experience in America. This character and ep is not about liking who she is. I’ve seen people itt talk about the hand eating not be funny at all and just flat out disgusting and yeah that’s the point. Cannibalism/satanism has been present in a lot of this season and it makes sense with the main three being in Europe and entering circles of more successful people. Donald has probably experienced some of that s*** firsthand and is putting the reality of it on blast with this episode (which imo is a very Atlanta thing to do). The feeling as a viewer of realizing they’re eating hands coincided perfectly with van’s coming back to reality. Also from a creating art perspective, how they were presenting this meal as the pinnacle of culinary experience sounds like Glover asking the question of morality in art. Van got wrapped up in this - the “hands” got her as someone pointed out - but what she realized, what her friend feels, and what the audience feels is that it’s not who she is. She was probably testing how far she could deform her identity before it became repulsive, but she just lost herself in it. I think that goes back to the objective differences in art and the art world about there being pure evil but most people just don’t even know who the f*** they are and don’t see how they feed into it. You’ve got the literal cannibal Alexander Skarsgard having his kinks satisfied by “evil Van” then you’ve got some naive girl from Atlanta taking her friend’s job of satisfying this random Parisian dude’s kinks. I see a lot of bridge building between people with objectively abhorrent behavior and people that are just living in the grey and not too sure about who they are. I feel like the theme there is like “people just don’t realize how close they are to all the horrible s*** out there that affects real people” which is what was explained to us in a on the nose way in the great payback
Overall though this episode felt like they got halfway through a season finale, and I thought they were pretty messy with the timeline in this episode. Aside from the one to one connection between Van to the lesbian white b****es and earn to white earn, I don’t see what we’re supposed to make of the connection between the other anthology episodes and the episodes with the main three. Clearly earn was just getting back from somewhere but that tour poster also looked pretty old.
I get why y’all are mad that it feels like Van is expected to get a pass for participating in all that s*** but you need to take a f***ing step back from the character - she doesn’t even know who she is so what substance do you have to base your favor of her on? I have personally never liked van on this show, but I definitely felt the most interest in her or got the most out of her in this episode. I don’t know if someone already brought this up but Van was about to kill herself in a car just like we saw the white b****es do in the first episode. That’s where she’s at mentally but obviously has had a completely different experience in America. This character and ep is not about liking who she is. I’ve seen people itt talk about the hand eating not be funny at all and just flat out disgusting and yeah that’s the point. Cannibalism/satanism has been present in a lot of this season and it makes sense with the main three being in Europe and entering circles of more successful people. Donald has probably experienced some of that s*** firsthand and is putting the reality of it on blast with this episode (which imo is a very Atlanta thing to do). The feeling as a viewer of realizing they’re eating hands coincided perfectly with van’s coming back to reality. Also from a creating art perspective, how they were presenting this meal as the pinnacle of culinary experience sounds like Glover asking the question of morality in art. Van got wrapped up in this - the “hands” got her as someone pointed out - but what she realized, what her friend feels, and what the audience feels is that it’s not who she is. She was probably testing how far she could deform her identity before it became repulsive, but she just lost herself in it. I think that goes back to the objective differences in art and the art world about there being pure evil but most people just don’t even know who the f*** they are and don’t see how they feed into it. You’ve got the literal cannibal Alexander Skarsgard having his kinks satisfied by “evil Van” then you’ve got some naive girl from Atlanta taking her friend’s job of satisfying this random Parisian dude’s kinks. I see a lot of bridge building between people with objectively abhorrent behavior and people that are just living in the grey and not too sure about who they are. I feel like the theme there is like “people just don’t realize how close they are to all the horrible s*** out there that affects real people” which is what was explained to us in a on the nose way in the great payback
Overall though this episode felt like they got halfway through a season finale, and I thought they were pretty messy with the timeline in this episode. Aside from the one to one connection between Van to the lesbian white b****es and earn to white earn, I don’t see what we’re supposed to make of the connection between the other anthology episodes and the episodes with the main three. Clearly earn was just getting back from somewhere but that tour poster also looked pretty old.
thank you !!!! you bring up valid criticisms while highlighting what makes this special
Whoever wrote that trash final episode needs to be sent to north korea.
What the hell was that bullshit
barring like 1 or 2 episodes it just feels like a completely wasted season and a real decline
Sad, but the entire format of this season was f***ed up. Very different format of the show compared to how it used to be
What? Dissociating doesn't means she/they are imagining things.
Maladaptive daydreaming is a symptom of dissociation right? correct me if I’m wrong, I’m genuinely asking
anyway the common assumption I see to explain this episode is basically Van daydreaming and imagining herself living a bigger life than she really is, which is supposed to explain the hands/cannibalism and timeline being off because it’s all in her head.
but the reason why I can’t fully buy this read is bc the episode takes place from Candace’s point of view. We start with her and every time we see Van, she is with Candace. so my point is, if the episode is a daydream then Candace has to be imagining s*** too bc she is basically a main character for this episode
It's an exaggerated timespan. Like when Darius seemed to come back to the Nigerian food place the next day and it had somehow already gone out of business and was replaced with the Naija Bowl
I didn’t think Darius went back to the Nigerian place the next day. it seemed like a couple weeks later, which made sense. same with the “invest in yo hood” commercial having to be made and finished over a particular time period. And Van was in that same episode with them so she (along with everyone else) has clearly been in Europe for more than a couple weeks but the episode has her saying otherwise
anyway, I’m done going back and forth about this episode bc the more y’all try to argue it makes sense, the less sense it makes to me and the less I like it. just didn’t f*** with it like that and that’s okay
still looking forward to season 4
So YOU would trust Earn over Darius or Paper boy? 🤨
would def trust Earn over Darius. that nigga is useless
to a degree yes, one could argue that Darius has also been open minded, thoughtful and had try to help out people, even if it doesn’t go right and backfires. a day one kind of person
new jazz highlighted to me the fact that Darius may be selfish but also not as trustworthy as I thought before and I found that interesting
yeah that episode completely changed my perception of Darius’ character and made me realize how flawed he actually is. still love it for that reason among others
Thing is darius didn't leave him, they both kinda wandered they own ways, especially Al cus he got scared of the fans. Plus Al said he wasn't high at all yet, so it wasn't "Intense" at that point.
Darius definitely didn't ditch him on some untrustworthy s***, sometimes niggas get split up from the group. Happens all the time at coachella
nah bro Darius left him. crowd wasn’t that big for them to get split up
mans left his superstar friend alone in a foreign country tripping on a d*** he had never done before
that’s some untrustworthy s***
Bro it doesn’t change the fact that he backstabbed Clark’s team no matter how you spin it. What are you not understanding?
He backstabbed a nigga he was cool with and going on tour with. You can admit he did some backstabbing s*** bro.
If Clark wasn’t there it could of been Darius he placed the blame on instead.
Earn had no loyalty to Clark whatsoever and Earn going to jail would have f***ed things over for Al on the tour. Earn did the smart thing in that ep and Al saw it and appreciated it. that was probably Earn’s best moment in the series at that point where he finally earned Al’s respect. definitely not an example of him being untrustworthy
I get why y’all are mad that it feels like Van is expected to get a pass for participating in all that s*** but you need to take a f***ing step back from the character - she doesn’t even know who she is so what substance do you have to base your favor of her on? I have personally never liked van on this show, but I definitely felt the most interest in her or got the most out of her in this episode. I don’t know if someone already brought this up but Van was about to kill herself in a car just like we saw the white b****es do in the first episode. That’s where she’s at mentally but obviously has had a completely different experience in America. This character and ep is not about liking who she is. I’ve seen people itt talk about the hand eating not be funny at all and just flat out disgusting and yeah that’s the point. Cannibalism/satanism has been present in a lot of this season and it makes sense with the main three being in Europe and entering circles of more successful people. Donald has probably experienced some of that s*** firsthand and is putting the reality of it on blast with this episode (which imo is a very Atlanta thing to do). The feeling as a viewer of realizing they’re eating hands coincided perfectly with van’s coming back to reality. Also from a creating art perspective, how they were presenting this meal as the pinnacle of culinary experience sounds like Glover asking the question of morality in art. Van got wrapped up in this - the “hands” got her as someone pointed out - but what she realized, what her friend feels, and what the audience feels is that it’s not who she is. She was probably testing how far she could deform her identity before it became repulsive, but she just lost herself in it. I think that goes back to the objective differences in art and the art world about there being pure evil but most people just don’t even know who the f*** they are and don’t see how they feed into it. You’ve got the literal cannibal Alexander Skarsgard having his kinks satisfied by “evil Van” then you’ve got some naive girl from Atlanta taking her friend’s job of satisfying this random Parisian dude’s kinks. I see a lot of bridge building between people with objectively abhorrent behavior and people that are just living in the grey and not too sure about who they are. I feel like the theme there is like “people just don’t realize how close they are to all the horrible s*** out there that affects real people” which is what was explained to us in a on the nose way in the great payback
Overall though this episode felt like they got halfway through a season finale, and I thought they were pretty messy with the timeline in this episode. Aside from the one to one connection between Van to the lesbian white b****es and earn to white earn, I don’t see what we’re supposed to make of the connection between the other anthology episodes and the episodes with the main three. Clearly earn was just getting back from somewhere but that tour poster also looked pretty old.
interesting. I felt like I was missing something with that hands s***. like Donald might have been trying to expose cannibalism among the elite or some s*** lol but I will def rewatch the episode with this in mind. hopefully I like it more
You wouldnt even get to that point with Darius
Bruh gone disappoint u immediately
nah bro Darius left him. crowd wasn’t that big for them to get split up
mans left his superstar friend alone in a foreign country tripping on a d*** he had never done before
that’s some untrustworthy s***
lmao that nigga did not leave him. Ya'll really acting like darius rushed around the corner to ditch him, niggas just got split up, partially due to Paper boy acting like a little b**** hiding from them euro boys
Earn had no loyalty to Clark whatsoever and Earn going to jail would have f***ed things over for Al on the tour. Earn did the smart thing in that ep and Al saw it and appreciated it. that was probably Earn’s best moment in the series at that point where he finally earned Al’s respect. definitely not an example of him being untrustworthy
Things would of actually been better for Al, if Earn went to jail then more than likely Clarks manager would of snatched him up as a client and have him making real money.
Ya'll can say what ya'll want but Clarks team gave them an opportunity to go on tour with them and Earn repaid them by setting them up to go to jail. If you don't see that as being untrustworthy then Ima pray for you cus niggas gonna have an easy time backdooring you.
And last thing, you in ya right mind can't deny that if it was only Al earn and Darius at the airport, Earn would of placed the blame on Darius instead. Earn wasn't taking the fall for NOBODY.
lmao that nigga did not leave him. Ya'll really acting like darius rushed around the corner to ditch him, niggas just got split up, partially due to Paper boy acting like a little b**** hiding from them euro boys
they got split up before those dudes showed up. Darius never checked on Al or anything whereas Earn was the one who found Al, took him back to the hotel and cleaned him up. Yet you insist that he’s the untrustworthy one. And I love Darius but cmon now
If I have to choose between the dude who leaves me behind in a foreign country while I’m tripping on a d*** I’ve never done before and the dude who saves me from a bad trip, cleans me up and brings me back to safety, I’m picking the second one every time lol
Things would of actually been better for Al, if Earn went to jail then more than likely Clarks manager would of snatched him up as a client and have him making real money.
Ya'll can say what ya'll want but Clarks team gave them an opportunity to go on tour with them and Earn repaid them by setting them up to go to jail. If you don't see that as being untrustworthy then Ima pray for you cus niggas gonna have an easy time backdooring you.
And last thing, you in ya right mind can't deny that if it was only Al earn and Darius at the airport, Earn would of placed the blame on Darius instead. Earn wasn't taking the fall for NOBODY.
you lost me with this one man. why would Earn set Darius up for the gun charge? Al and Darius wouldn’t even go for that s*** and Earn knows it, they all knew where the gun really came from
Earn has a lot of flaws but he’s not that lowdown to do something like that to Darius. just admit you don’t like him bro lol
How was this season? Didn’t see anything yet
polarizing. watch it and come back so you can join the fun