unlike scratch yall can't even admit communist states were sexist. how are yall not ashamed

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You are missing the entire point to a comical degree

absolutely or i like to tell myself so

The failure of communist regimes to completely abolish sexism would only mean we need to go even further in our efforts

If you knew anthing, you'd know that it would just be another capitalism vs communism discussion. Scratch is a communist. You know that.

Not really, people who know me know I never demonize anyone and actually listen. Do you give me that same treatment?

You mean the treatment where you start off insulting my intelligence.

No, my point was capitalist countries have female leaders while communist societies don't have a single one.

Yes, but the point is that that is not a good metric of whether or not an economic system is beneficial for everyone or not. You're throwing around a red herring like it's an ace card that will win you the game.

Capitalism is the best of all evils, that is my opinion, and you're entitled to your own. if you ever discussed anthing or just showed some respect to any of the people discussion s***, you'd just get a honest response of what we're trying to tell.

Nice subtle diss with "if you ever" and then slid in the "showed some respect". Maybe you get what you give

Anyway, by many metrics a democratic socialist economic system with a strong social safety net is best for the people. That's unfortunately not an opinion.

Not really, people who know me know I never demonize anyone and actually listen. Do you give me that same treatment?

Well since neither of us are giving each other a nice treatment I'd say we're at an impasse. Who will be first to extend an olive branch

It's besides the point of if women have been in any power in communist states.

That doesn't negate that sexism and capitalism are tied and both need to be abolished.

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imma like it here

explain it to me than synopsis

yes I agree!

from the comment I just posted

"the point is that that is not a good metric of whether or not an economic system is beneficial for everyone or not. You're throwing around a red herring like it's an ace card that will win you the game."

Representation means very little when it comes to dismantling power structures.

If I offended you, I apologize, I still need to grow as a person, I will be the first to admit!

Hey ain't no thang I'm big ignorant too!

I call everyone an idiot I should probably stop that

very true!

You've been in here arguing the opposite lmao

well this thread is about feminism, I said communists have the sexist high score in representation, that's all I was saying. I agreed with your statement that representation means very little when it comes to dismantling power structures.

don't intend to be patronizing but i don't know if @Odeon is even aware that asking whether there have been any "undisputed female leaders" in communist states (and the discussion about whether that matters) is a lil counterproductive

It's always like

"Capitalism is responsible for _, , and ____, and deserved to be criticized for it."

"But what about the communists?"

It's like okay we can talk about that too but isn't even a relevant rebuttal to the fact that capitalism perpetrates the problems

Those issues need to be addressed overall and not just when one thing u prefer gets called out imo

A lot of communist leaders did disappoint in addressing sexism (and racism) though.

I wouldn't chalk that up to communisms fault that they were lacking.

So thereby lets get some female socialist/communist leaders in power to diversify dis s*** cmon Odeon lets get this thing GOING!

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it was more of a sidetrack for my own amusement because of previous discussions in this sxn. If change needs to come, I prefer to bring effort for change in real life, online is just entertainment, in short I just really like argueing against users in this sxn even tho it will presumably never accomplish anthing