I think Jay-Z is better then Em, in their prime and out of their prime

not mad at that

OP is right but the cacs won’t like this one

Definitely encore but I’ve always felt like Relapse dodged that because it doesn’t take itself very seriously

In fact I think that’s the biggest problem with current Em

He takes himself way to serious, Even when trying to do unserious things it feels very very forced and doesn’t come off as him genuinely being unserious

eminem is too pretentious

Nah its definitely different with Em

His skill definitely meant something

Most talented lyricist

Most talented in what category tho?

what do u think constitutes most talented lyricist tho like do u mean writer too?

I chose dinner with Jay-Z.

Nah. MMLP and SSLP too. Let's not rewrite history. All 3 of those albums were a strong trifecta.

Eminem was def more left field artistically than Jay Z with songs like Guilty Conscious, Kim, Stan, Cleanin Out My Closet, etc. and I think that's what the OP was referring to.

Em and DMX both were known for having song concepts that were considered too raw and edgy even for hip hop standards.

However, artistry goes beyond how unique or edgy your song ideas are. Jay's artistry was very strong in albums like RD, Blueprint, and Black Album as well as many of his B Sides/deep cuts in the Volume albums, Streets is Watching soundtrack, and even BP2 which contains "Meet The Parents."

Maybe Jay did seem more "derivative" than Eminem as a generally flashy braggadocio and street rapper but he still had strong flows, wordplay, bars/quotes, charisma, and style. And he did it all without written verses like Biggie before him.

So, as great and impactful as Em's 99-03 peak was, I wouldn't say it beats Jay's 96-03 peak if not for the sole fact that Jay's prime lasted longer. Em did have a much higher popularity peak though.

Im not mad either way

Both great

in the years they released yea

no way these niggas are going to bat for Volume 3, The Dynasty and Blueprint 2 over Em's 3 classics

Bp3 rocks

Absolutely

nobody would but thats a crazy metric to determine em is better than hov tho when hov is leagues better and even by this metric hov got 3 or 4 on him

"I believe Jay Z is more respected as a business man rather than a rapper which is where my confusion lies when people put him as the better artist"

like bro huh

No song writing is hooks song arrangement subject matter etc

Lyricist is just rapping

by writer i mean writer of words