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  • Aug 17, 2023
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    RaisinBoy

    Rock bands are going to come back

    We need punk and hard rock

    hardcore is in a great place rn and has been

  • Aug 17, 2023
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    Vibe

    You're saying Drake does things outside of rap like branding and merchandising for his albums to sell?

    Where?

    He's never been one of these fashion guys prioritizing merch, he doesn't talk crazy in interviews like Kanye for views, the most you could say is that he makes radio friendly music, but it's still about the music

    Yeah man

    The artistic merits of Toosie Slide

  • Nessy 🦎
    Aug 17, 2023

    Maybe that’s the wake up call rap needs. Im sure rappers and labels dont even fw the music they push like that but they think they have no alternative

  • Aug 17, 2023
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    Nessy

    2000s criticism was more about beat choices and subject matters but the personalities were there

    So does it just come down to the labels putting in the work for making interesting artists?

    Cause beat choices are better and the subject matter is back again to street s*** right now.

  • Aug 17, 2023
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    tyreek

    hardcore is in a great place rn and has been

    Put me on 🙏

  • Aug 17, 2023
    ragedsycokiller

    I was too young to remember, but where is the dark age era of the 2000's that people on here talk about then?

    Is this decade the first time we're having so many boring personalities being pushed?

    Watch smack dvd i promise some of the most exciting s*** lmfao

  • Aug 17, 2023
    insertcoolnamehere

    Yeah man

    The artistic merits of Toosie Slide

    Classic

  • FREE 💜
    Aug 17, 2023
    Vibe

    Yall are losing the topic of thread in favor of choosing Kendrick over Drake lol, s***'s a stan war waiting to happen

    I liked More Life more then Steppers so idg hoe this applies to me

  • Aug 17, 2023
    tyreek

    hardcore is in a great place rn and has been

    link some

  • Aug 17, 2023
    ragedsycokiller

    I was too young to remember, but where is the dark age era of the 2000's that people on here talk about then?

    Is this decade the first time we're having so many boring personalities being pushed?

    I think they’d be referring to how dominant gangsta rap was prior to college dropout/Kanye’s run but even as I get older I start to see that Kanye just put a neat mainstream bow on things that dead prez talib mos def and other lesser known people etc were already doing

    Guys like Em, 50, Luda, the Dipset/Roc/Lox and the beginnings of the street dvd culture. It wasn’t boring at all IMO

  • Aug 17, 2023

    The need to actually be outside around people meant it was necessary to have a semblance of a personality.

  • Aug 17, 2023
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    Or maybe this is the normal progression/regression of a genre and because hip hop is so young it’s now going through it’s normal evolution.

  • rvi 🦜
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    BrickellBayside

    It kind of is true for other genres

    You’re mostly naming acts that have been around for awhile

    Other than Morgan, none of those acts are “new”

    Where are the new acts from these genres that debuted in say, 2020ish that are doing arenas and selling >200k 1st week

    for country, Zach Bryan and Jelly Roll broke through in 2022 and are now playing arenas, Zach Bryan 2022 album is 2x platinum. Bailey Zimmerman is selling well, got into billboard top 10 and looks set for similar trajectory as the youngest/newest of these

    Noah Kahan broke through in 2022 and is playing venues of that size, album going to go platinum

    Olivia Rodrigo, Steve Lacy other obvious examples

    when there are so many exceptions other than just Latin, African, (+Korean) music to the "American monoculture is dead so there can't be new stars" idea, I think you gotta find some other reasons why hip hop isn't making new stars other than just yelling out monoculture over and over again.

    maybe you can still make a good point about decentralization making it harder for new stars but we can't just sit here and pretend we are in a dead era

  • Nessy 🦎
    Aug 17, 2023
    ragedsycokiller

    So does it just come down to the labels putting in the work for making interesting artists?

    Cause beat choices are better and the subject matter is back again to street s*** right now.

    finding interesting artists and going the risky route instead of the safe one

  • FREE 💜
    Aug 17, 2023
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    insertcoolnamehere

    I say this as a big fan that used to hate when niggas brought this up.

    Was Kendrick's success/and in a larger picture: the big 3 a product of a weak era?

    @FREE @Brave I'm curious to know specifically

    Yes of the three of them none I think really had the same star power we usually saw from like a Ye,Wayne or Hov.

    Each had a trait that the others lacked and when no other artist came around with all three traits the genre settled

  • Nessy 🦎
    Aug 17, 2023
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    insertcoolnamehere

    I say this as a big fan that used to hate when niggas brought this up.

    Was Kendrick's success/and in a larger picture: the big 3 a product of a weak era?

    @FREE @Brave I'm curious to know specifically

    he was seen as the backpack savior in the mainstream lupe failed to become

  • Aug 17, 2023

    Oh no

    Who’s gonna sign us to 360 deals and take 80% of our earnings now??

  • Aug 17, 2023
    NewCopeJustDropped

    Or maybe this is the normal progression/regression of a genre and because hip hop is so young it’s now going through it’s normal evolution.

    i don’t think hip hop is that young anymore buddy

  • Aug 17, 2023
    FREE

    Yes of the three of them none I think really had the same star power we usually saw from like a Ye,Wayne or Hov.

    Each had a trait that the others lacked and when no other artist came around with all three traits the genre settled

    lol this is why it was surreal New York couldn’t produce a young Nigga to carry the torch at a time when it was more wide open than ever

  • Aug 17, 2023
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    Vibe

    Yall are losing the topic of thread in favor of choosing Kendrick over Drake lol, s***'s a stan war waiting to happen

    because you’re trying to get on Kendrick for taking a bit to drop music when he puts out generational bodies of work

    Drake has been flooding the scene with his music and not too much of it is worth to write home about save a handful of songs here and there

  • Aug 17, 2023
    NewCopeJustDropped

    Or maybe this is the normal progression/regression of a genre and because hip hop is so young it’s now going through it’s normal evolution.

    This isn’t normal tbh. Like “hiphop is dead” has never been a crossover conversation. It was always confined to oldhead hiphop nerds who could be a little more open minded

    Now you have young people in the general public complaining about the quality of rap, which is bad cause the general public is the last to care about the idea of quality lmao

  • Aug 17, 2023
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    F*** this we talking bout keeping hip hip on the forefront @Vibe name me the last drake album that was 100% a hip hop album.

    F*** is we talking about my nigga.

  • Aug 17, 2023
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    deleteduser579

    because you’re trying to get on Kendrick for taking a bit to drop music when he puts out generational bodies of work

    Drake has been flooding the scene with his music and not too much of it is worth to write home about save a handful of songs here and there

    It's not about hating on Kendrick though, it's just the topic is focused on Rap declining

    If Kendrick wants to take time to drop albums thats cool, but in terms of right now at this present moment, Drake is doing more to keep rap interesting and exciting

  • Aug 17, 2023
    Nessy

    he was seen as the backpack savior in the mainstream lupe failed to become

    Atlantic gon burn in hell man

  • Aug 17, 2023
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    insertcoolnamehere

    F*** this we talking bout keeping hip hip on the forefront @Vibe name me the last drake album that was 100% a hip hop album.

    F*** is we talking about my nigga.

    Her Loss is basically the new IYRTITL. Idk why you guys are acting like you don't like it all of a sudden

    S*** became the new "I don't listen to Drake but I like this album" like NWTS and IYRTITL

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