WLR had a bunch of online hype. The Earfquake, Solange, Pissy Pamper, and Pain 1993 hype too. A whole lot is going to need to fall right for him to get close to that again tbh.

Please tell me this is sarcasm

its the truth eminem is f***ing horrible at writing songs
not like most of yall even know what songwriting means, you just hear write and associate it with that

You want a great songwriter? Travis. Hes not known for his lyrics.

no you didn’t man lol, you just said Uzi went on a “historic run”

didn’t even necessarily reject that we were still stuck with the big 3 essentially to carry the genre, and then just sucked off Carti some more like you’ve done this entire thread

it doesn’t matter who was the greatest in the past to you, which is again, completely fine but it just isn’t realistic with the other standards in other genres, that’s completely fine

a good swath of rock greats were good writers dawg, idk what you’re on about lmao, and Eminem is definitely a pretty good songwriter dawg, that’s like the one thing no one ever debates over when it comes to him, im sure you’ve probably never tried his music extensively though so i won’t really bother

yeah, ur just an eater bro lol

I never said Pierre was even a better rapper than Carti

But Carti had magnolia blow up because it’s catchy and was kind of a meme at the time (not taking away from the song cause I fw it) which immediately gained him a bigger audience, Pierre never had that

Pierre also doesn’t have a goofy performative persona/aesthetic that kids gravitate towards and is honestly just a chill normal dude who produces music

Every line on this is quotable, the delivery, the vocal inflections, the ad libs, etc.

like dawg i can’t even think of any highly respected rock artists nor bands that couldn’t put that pen to that mf paper

maybe punk rock lyrics don’t matter too much cause it’s more predicated on attitude but we don’t really mention them niggas among The Beatles, Pink Floyd’s and Radiohead’s in that genre

It’s gettin to the point I don’t even read your s*** I know it’s gonna be based & just hit Like

Yall steady bringing up the aesthetic s*** like that’s not a prerequisite for being a successful rapper in general.

Carti fan base remasters snippets lol. One thing you can’t say is that it’s not about the music first.

they arent carrying the genre lol
Ik your a f***ing moron that was dropped on your head as a child but im not even talking about carti for most of my post I would still expect you to be able to read considering your on a music forum
That isnt the standard of other genres genius, I can point out mad rock bands that arent exactly known for their exceptional writing and are still greats that are considered legends.

In rap it is undebatable that Future, Gucci mane, Young Thug are all legends and greats. Thats not to me, thats a fact. Uzi is a legend too.. thats not up to you. These people arent known for their skill at writing lyrics

Eminem's biggest flaw is his songwriting. His achilles is his ability to make hooks and good songs post 2009.

Really? what weird overly done aesthetic does Drake, Kendrick or Cole have? (Not trying to make this about “the big 3” but they are 3 of the biggest oat)

So if pierre had a meme song and a goofy persona hed be carti level?
I never said you said he was a better rapper im showing you someone who had the exact same producer behind his s*** arguably better beats
yet one is way more loved than the other, one is WAY more successful
because pierre's vocal performances are nothing to write home about compared to carti, carti is more known for that s*** than his beats, if his beats were carrying him it wouldnt matter pierre would be on his level with EASE. But clearly thats not the case, especially since Young Nudy was getting the exact same production at the time for example yet still isnt and never was on carti's level of popularity

they aren’t carrying the genre, and yet essentially no newer artists have even remotely touched the mantle that those 3 have left, not in hits, iconic songs, albums, sales, cultural influence nor impact, literally pretty much nothing, only people like you who are pretty much in denial about it act like they aren’t lol

you can name the rock bands brother, and no, you were in fact talking about Carti for most of your post lol

the bar for being a “””legend””” in hip-hop is extraordinarily low, so that word doesn’t really mean much to me. Future, Gucci and Thug aren’t getting ranked over the JAY-Z’s, Wayne’s and Eminem’s in the genre, you know that

no, Eminem’s biggest flaw is his voice and his production choices, prime Eminem was arguably the most technically gifted rapper ever, you’d know that if you listened to the music

Muse is not exactly known for their lyrics lmao

hell Wayne didn’t even have a super strong aesthetic like that either, he just had natural sauce lol

Drake Kendrick and Cole all have their own unique looks and styles that pertain to them.

Wayne did, Pharrell did, Tyler did, etc. looking cool is a prerequisite to being a successful rapper.

Carti does too. Aesthetic, “sauce” whatever you wanna f***ing call it the concept remains the same lol

okay, but then there’s Black Sabbath, The Doors, Talking Heads, Raging Against The Machine etc.

like im sure you can find exceptions to the rule, but the grand sum is that most all time talent in these genres had pretty good writers, or were fronted by dudes that were good writers

Also future is definitely over Eminem what are we doing lol

Yeah but some aesthetics capture the attention of kids (the biggest demographic for this s***)

It’s like Tyler with OF in 2011. You think he was making groundbreaking generational music back then? F*** no most of that s*** was absolutely terrible but kids were absolutely blown away by it because of the aesthetic

And I’m not hating on cool aesthetics at all. Even tho it’s cringy now I really respect what Tyler did but yes it’s kinda obvious why Pierre’s career never exploded. Altho he is still pretty successful even as a solo artist

Carti has though, except in sales. If your metric is sales you are lost. You people either werent around in 2012 or got amnesia because people like kendrick and cole werent outselling kanye first week in the beggining of the decade
We had a whole gen of artists that got killed, who were all doing insane numbers, you have to give it time
Its not my fault you cant read bro, ctrl+F carti on that post and tell me if its present. Your getting old dawg get some contacts. The entire post was about the point of what can and cant constitute a legend.
I dont care whether they are ranked higher by others, a lot of that is due to ignorance and the way the south has been historically put down and southern music seen as lesser. They also have existed for less time. You know who is known on that level though? Kurtis blow, LL Cool J, sugarhill gang, salt n pepa
Their lyrics were ASS s*** boiled down to I WENT TO THE STORE I PLAYED BASKETBALL
The ORIGINATORS OF HIP HOP
are they not legends?
whether you say gucci is not the same level of legend as em doesnt really matter, every person in ATL, most who live in the areas his music would be played, anyone younger that experienced his prime and his influence would disagree with you
I would argue the forces that made eminem such a legend had a lot less to do with talent than any of these other artists, it was a lot of image heavy lifting and white priviledge

TECHNICAL RAPPING DOES NOT EQUAL SONGWRITING! see i knew your ass would say this dumbass s*** u just see writing and go AH lyrics ive heard all his music actually its a weakness compared to his contemporaroies

"exceptions to the rule" is not a good argument just because the majority of acclaimed artists in the past were good writers doesnt mean there cant be more "exceptions to the rule" or that the rule cant change, its not like there was hundreds of years of music from before this without lyrics or with simplistic lyrics or anything right....

by the way, kanye is not known to be the best lyricist at all but hes considered top 5 in terms of most important people in the genre