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4y

mf answered his own question

BIGGWAVE

4y

then why are ktt communists so condescending and arrogant?

pedigree spirit

4y

capitalism with built in stabilizers is the best system imo. you need some kind of competitive element to keep economic growth going but you also need to support people that are struggling in life.

Scratchin Mamba

4y

When the USSR had a planned economy they had the fastest growing GDP per capita in the world after Taiwan, South Korea and Japan. Not saying that same model of central planning is the way forward, but it's not because of a lack of growth.

pedigree spirit

4y

need a long-term sustainable growth model that does not cripple a large part of society. centralized planning is too dependent on the capabilities of a relatively small group of people i think. a technical meritocracy that is incentivized to maximize societal wealth would be great.

Scratchin Mamba

4y

I think the problem with central planning is its inflexibility, that's why we need cybernetic planning

Chile was actually about to implement such a model in the 70s until the US overthrew Allende and installed a right-wing military dictatorship

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Cybersyn

pedigree spirit

4y

sounds good af i actually have a degree in operations research. never really thought about the similarities between running a country and dynamic programming problems like that. would make a lot of sense to be honest not in the least because you would have to clearly state your objectives and rectrictions.

pedigree spirit

4y

like have a politician state his election program in terms of model parameters

Scratchin Mamba

4y

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That's dope

But yeah it's a way better system for automatic feedback and giant corporations like Walmart already use it for their own internal production

https://palladiummag.com/2020/09/23/how-capitalist-giants-use-socialist-cybernetic-planning/

Paul Cockshott is a computer scientist/economist who's written a book about what a cybernetically planned economy could look like:

http://ricardo.ecn.wfu.edu/~cottrell/socialism_book/new_socialism.pdf

He also has his own youtube channel where he talks about this stuff

pedigree spirit

4y

thank you for the links brodi will check em out. interesting stuff.

Q3D

4y

Yall ever think about how human nature is kinda capitalistic because we have to eat to stay alive 🤔

Scratchin Mamba

4y

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That's dope

But yeah it's a way better system for automatic feedback and giant corporations like Walmart already use it for their own internal production

https://palladiummag.com/2020/09/23/how-capitalist-giants-use-socialist-cybernetic-planning/

Paul Cockshott is a computer scientist/economist who's written a book about what a cybernetically planned economy could look like:

http://ricardo.ecn.wfu.edu/~cottrell/socialism_book/new_socialism.pdf

He also has his own youtube channel where he talks about this stuff

ARCADE GOON

4y

Define self-interest. If you tried your Instagram-culture "self-interest" bullshit in a hunter and gatherer tribe they would f***ing stab you in the back with the next spear or leave your dumb ass alone in the forest so you can fend for yourself.

Even in later eras your ideology wouldn't fly

hot pancakes

4y

because they needed to survive. that’s why they are

now a days we have all the luxuries in the world and we don’t need to farm and gather for 20 hours a day to survive

we work out 9-5, buy luxuries and then relax

idk about you, but i’d much rather the latter then former

imagine having to farm 18 hours a day

Fargo

4y

if you're so smart why aren't you taking advantage of capitalism is the question we should be asking you

its not about smarts, i know plenty of people who could be considered capitalist's who are complete idiots. and those people are where they are where they are because of nepotism as well as ruthless sociopathic behavior.