No denying he has a phenomenal ear for music.

Yeah an executive producer

He is not a musical person himself tho and he is not actually making beats or mixing which some people confuse him as

As an example, he got the Juicy beat idea from Pete Rock and had Trackmasters make the beat

He is slightly above a DJ Khaled level, in terms of beat making

It can be helpful and does have its place

My overall idea of pointing out the difference tho is that to me op's post came off as if Diddy is the one actually making the beats and some other people still think as well

Diddy is like an in-between mix of an A&R n Executive Producer - plus of course he has the connects and budget

But yeah, it can be a big help if you have someone passionate behind you that helps guide you or just to keep you focus

Agreed, most of it not even sampled creatively just straight up remaking it and throwing some “hip hop” drums on it

free him

Big Poppa one of the best rap songs oat tho

Yall still on that Diddy hate train?

This here, none of that really matters if you got prime Mase and BIG rapping over it.

Yea if it’s good idc but I’ll just have more respect for someone flipping samples in an interesting way

Wait what

Can’t stop won’t stop

Juicy sample was used before. One More Chance sample was used before too in almost exactly the same way as well. Back then using beats in the same way wasn't looked at as something crazily fragrant.

See--Check Yo Self/The Message
No Diggity/Toss It Up

Its not just leeching though

I get thats a funny narrative but he gave a lot of great artist their sounds and images starting off. He probably was that in the 2000s but a lot of his 90s work was clearly his vision

An israeli juice wrld fan is a horrifying concept

He is waaay more than DJ Khaled

He is literally building the albums song by song with the artist and they’re classic albums

We literally wouldnt have ready to die, life after death, jodeci/mary j s***, 112 etc

He genuinely should spend the rest of his life in prison but he was a fantastic exec producer at the very least

This might be all she wrote for you ole buddy ole pal

I think a lot of people underestimate how much sampling has carried rap over the last 30+ years. As people have stated there is a big difference in his vision and execution. That’s why a lot of these newer songs suck compared to the ones in OP when they’re doing the same concept

From what I've heard he took a lot of other niggas ideas and concepts and just put his budget and brand to it, sometimes even presenting it as his own or acting like he did more than he actually did that then got exposed later

He was good for connections tho

But yeah he's like a mix of an AnR n a executive - I don't think he was all that tho either way outside of the money/brand n connects

He is def at least way less than like a Dr Dre or Jermaine Dupri and few others

Suge is an exec producer in the sense that he facilitates the album, the albums exist because he green lights them and overlooks them

Puff is a producer because hes in the studio working on the production of the music, A&Rs dont do that thats not in the job description.

Without Puff a lot of the classic music from the late 90s doesnt exist. Think Hard Knock Life. No way that song is made without Bad Boy's mid 90s run.

How is he a mix of an A&R and an exec when an exec is just the boss of an A&R?

If he stole then yeah he shouldnt get the credit but do you genuinely think he stole every single thing he did for biggie, mary, jodeci?

dr dre also got accused of stealing and maybe he did, but i dont think that means everything he did is invalid now

Dr. Dre had ghost producers lol

I thought Toss It Up was a jab at Dr. Dre

Exec as in executive producer - I didn't mean a business exec, I'm just talking music wise about him my b

Dre also has many cases of putting together things together himself and also through others which have been vouched, his stealing comes from his name being slapped onto lesser known at the time producers like a young Scott storch

Diddy has even been critique that he isn't even that musically inclined outside of being a fan - he is way better at the theatrics and branding

Jodeci specifically Diddy didn't do much of anything for them musically, again it was mostly branding and he's one of the reasons they were "dressed as rappers" but jodeci was AL B Sure discovery and concept that he then had Diddy do back up guidance - it's also a similar thing with Usher and 112, although with 112 iirc he found them himself - which I would say Diddy is good at noticing talent too and what he can make work within his own thing

He isn't really involved musically outside of "suggestions" here n there and he's been critique for it for decades by artists and those around them, outside of all the foul stuff - and it's one of the reasons Suge was calling him a basically useless attention w****, or why DMX passed on signing to Diddy etc.

He is way closer to a Khaled or a Birdman than a Dre or Dupri - his major strengths being talent finding and branding

Edit: and imo shouldn't be a serious name talked about when talking about producers, executives or more hands on