ur right but a slogan is a slogan, it’s never meant to elaborate on nuance

Than let’s stop giving the GQP ammunition to help fear monger their base

i don't know how you think there is not room for confusion when "defund" means "remove funding from" and the idea behind "defund the police" means a lot more than that

there's a lot of room for misinterpretation. defund -- by how much? that's the first one: the real idea isn't to instantly take away all their funding, yet that's a very easy conclusion to come to if your only encounter w/ the idea is "defund the police" (and slogans are usually meant to introduce people to an idea if they have not already experienced it, so..)
the other one is that "defund the police" speaks nothing of the other funding reallocation ideas behind the slogan

and idk what you're looking for re: proof. it's literally just the definition of "defund" and how "defund the police" has to grapple w/ "defund" already having a definition and the slogan's version meaning a bunch of different ideas that are not at all equivalent with or even within an intuitive-leap's distance of the common definition of "defund"

Defund the police comin' straight from the underground

Defund Deez

republicans base their entire policy on democrat opposition

They could say to increase our involvement in foreign conflicts for profit and they’d oppose it

whatever we put out they’re gonna eat up

Just because cons don’t agree with the ideas doesn’t mean they’re not good slogans. Although abolish is moreso the true intention so just use that.

I dont care about the fascists

I care about the undecided voters in swing states we need to get the senate/presidency

Saying defund the police isn’t going to win any moderates

And abolish is such a stupid idea, we need some form of law enforcement, were not anarchists

And no it’s not and never will be a good slogan to win elections

my point is it wasn’t dems who started the phrase it was citizens. Most of them didn’t even identify as democrats. Correct me if i’m wrong.

Nah we need to disband and offer up regional civil protection and services for communities funded by the tax dollars. essentially a collapse of the corrupt mob police union klan body we have now and rerouting towards more sentimental localized police services that requires living in the community and acftive investment as a prereq for joining and one that also pays well

the point isn't to get majority of Americans to vote for ur ideas, the point is to scare the ruling class to give some concession, vast majority of Americans at the time didn't support MLK, and he and every participate of the civl right movement had still got massive changes done, its the same idea.

Have you ever thought that the people pushing for the police to be defunded don’t care about how many people vote for your liberal Democratic Party @op

and we are

some states are abolishing qualified immunity

in some cities police departments are sending mental health professional/social workers to non violent situations

Oregon decriminalized all d****

Obviously their is much more work to be done, any progress at all is still progress imo

synopsis must work for private security.

1) Defund the police
2) Don't send police to people in mental crises
3) Create a longer training program that trains them to handle situations better such that they don't be so eager to shoot a f***ing gun. American cops are trained to be more trigger happy than the majority of other cops around the world.

cfr.org/backgrounder/how-police-compare-different-democracies

Anybody I see say that I automatically think they are dumbasses

So basically you're going to criticize it from a surface perspective and don't care about it's deeper meaning and message?

People like you are no different than the GOP you fear. You can't please everyone because people who want to be mad will look for something to be mad at. Regardless of what the slogan was because secretly they know the message and don't agree with it but instead of debate the actual issues they make the slogan itself an issue.

i dont agree

Weird... it never caught on

The slogan didn't matter as much as you think imo.

Whatever method of effective police reform suggested was always going to be divisive.

It's been made clear for decades that US police forces are trigger-happy and institutionally corrupt.

Incremental policies for reform either do little to change that 1, or are snuffed out in the process by the very people they're supposed to hold to account 2

White Americans were talking about "I see you. I hear you. We're listening." all last summer

As soon as the people they were 'listening' to started suggesting ideas for actual change, not just the same old policies half-heartedly implemented for decades that do next to nothing in practice, all that went out the window

Yall know most people don't want police to be gone in America? Unless you have the literal government campaign to remove police then they'll always be here.

The best you can do is to campaign to remove police budgets that gives them access to military gear

why tho whats the purpose of removing gear they already have? would u rather have national guard do more militarized work?

I mean yeah. Keep the gear to those guys. The cops in your local neighborhood shouldn't have tear gas or riot gear.

I dont think ur referring to neighborhood police lmao.

ur talking about riots lol. u would rather them just call national guard? It wouldnt change much lmao.