frenchpress

5y

no it isn’t. it’s the folly of thinking a word that already has a definition can instantly take upon a different and not even similar definition when used in the context of two other not-illuminating words, without explanation

the issue isn’t about appealing to
certain people bc certain people are likely to be offended. the issue is that the wording confuses people who don’t already have an idea of what the slogan is supposed to stand for

allmygirlsdoyoga

5y

In matter of fact, the only slogan that is better than “Defund the Police” is “No More White Police Officers”

Synopsis

5y

I've already asked. OP didn't have an answer

nightingalexo

5y

I don't actually completely disagree with the points OP and the rest are making.

But once again, I'm asking what slogan do you think would

1. actually be communicating a policy to fix both the issues of excessive force & overpolicing in America, and the social issues leading to crime

and

2. be appealing to moderates/conservatives/fence-sitters who just about acknowledge these issues exist, if they do at all?

The Young Blizzard

5y

Do you think Kelly Warnock and Ossoff would have won if they ran on defund the police?

nightingalexo

5y

I don't actually completely disagree with the points OP and the rest are making.

But once again, I'm asking what slogan do you think would

1. actually be communicating a policy to fix both the issues of excessive force & overpolicing in America, and the social issues leading to crime

and

2. be appealing to moderates/conservatives/fence-sitters who just about acknowledge these issues exist, if they do at all?

ASAKI

5y

You and OP are not understanding what I'm saying. Read these words: The slogan does not matter. The people who oppose defunding the police fundamentally disagree with the policy. If your support on a policy hinges on the wording of the policy, then you never meant to support it in the first place. Many of those in the working class who oppose police reform is because they are not aware nor educated of their position to that of the elite and their enforcers.

The solution is to reverse the decades, even centuries, of brainwashing that liberals and conservatives have put on the working-class to make them believe that the police works for them. By mobilizing, promoting, and changing the lens of the situation at hand from the grassroots, these folks will gradually support anything that goes against the police. Yes, even the most radical notions.

The phrase "Defund the police" would not even exist decades ago. The amount of strides made on the ground by grassroot activists have catapulted the policy into the mainstream. It's only a matter of time before it enters the mind of every American.

The Young Blizzard

5y

The answer I have is “I don’t know”

I’m not going to act like im a domestic policy expert

What I will say Is “defund the police” will not sit well at all with anybody outside of heavily blue districts

Synopsis

5y

That's not what I'm asking you

Synopsis

5y

Nothing. We do absolutely nothing

Yuzzy

5y

Serial killers roaming free

The Young Blizzard

5y

pretty sure only the squad ran on "defund the police"

• you're missing the point, outside of heavily blue districts defund the police is extremely unpopular

capers

5y

You not wrong

nightingalexo

5y

Surely as a progressive you'd realise 'digestable and appealing to the comfortable masses' is always code for no fundamental change.

KOL Meezy Mestizo

5y

why does this even matter lmao. It's not like politicians started the slogan. Civilians did as a rallying point for the policies they wanted changed. This isn't something that can be done at the federal level. President Biden isn't going to pass the Frick the Coppers Act and cut police funding across the United States. If the slogan is popular in "D+20 blue districts" guess what? They might defund the police in "D+20 blue districts" (i think a couple have actually). Then, the rest of the nation sees the results (or ignores them) and potentially it impacts municipal policy.

ASAKI

5y

You and OP are not understanding what I'm saying. Read these words: The slogan does not matter. The people who oppose defunding the police fundamentally disagree with the policy. If your support on a policy hinges on the wording of the policy, then you never meant to support it in the first place. Many of those in the working class who oppose police reform is because they are not aware nor educated of their position to that of the elite and their enforcers.

The solution is to reverse the decades, even centuries, of brainwashing that liberals and conservatives have put on the working-class to make them believe that the police works for them. By mobilizing, promoting, and changing the lens of the situation at hand from the grassroots, these folks will gradually support anything that goes against the police. Yes, even the most radical notions.

The phrase "Defund the police" would not even exist decades ago. The amount of strides made on the ground by grassroot activists have catapulted the policy into the mainstream. It's only a matter of time before it enters the mind of every American.

Yuzzy

5y

Your first paragraph is false. There's a large amount of people who will be scared off by the slogan while actually supporting police reform because they think it means underfunded police.

People are self-interested, if your goal is change, a slogan which makes them (falsely) think they will be in increased danger is not going to make that happen, it will make them defensive and scared

frenchpress

5y

if the slogan doesn’t matter, why does it exist

i swear we’re jumping over a few fundamental things itt. like the function of slogans as well as the definition of words as most ppl know them

slogans represent ideas to the people that understand said ideas (no issue here re: “defund the police”) and they introduce ppl who are not already part of the ingroup that originated the idea/slogan to the idea. it’s the second one where this slogan sucks, bc it’s so easy to misinterpret if you’re unfamiliar with the ideas and as a result there are ppl who say no to the slogan/idea without delving into the idea any further. they reject themselves at step 1 as opposed to anywhere further down the line, which strangles the opportunity of ppl who may actually like the idea but don’t pursue learning it due to their reaction to a phrase that, despite representing the idea well enough to the ingroup, is a confusing experience to the outgroups

Womanpuncher69

5y

arent u an anarchist? lol

ANTI

5y

not going thru 13 pages, do u have a better slogan?

sir shrimpy

5y

I don't know, I feel like pushing for mandatory law enforcement degrees would have an overall impact in the quality of officers and would be a huge first step into rewriting the system. It eradicates most current officers or forces them to educate themselves and take college courses in communication and human psychology. I've also talked to conservatives about it and they respond much better than they do to the 'defund the police' slogan, which they interpret as anarchy.