Synopsis

5y

I've only ever heard racists call them riots

sir shrimpy

5y

Chill

CLDP

5y

How is what I said a free for all man? It’s a trialled measure in restorative justice. Well trained. Unarmed too

CLDP

5y

Honestly

Got his ass

The Young Blizzard

5y

Because white people in the sue burbs we need to win elections don’t like it

Niggamortis

5y

You don't like the word "defund" because scared white people elsewhere don't like it?

ASAKI

5y

This is the folly of liberalism. It doesn't matter what the slogan is; it will never be good enough. Liberals are too inundated with the optics of saying "defund the police".

Every damn person who hears the words "defund the police" knows what it means. You know what it means. I know what it means. The most rural of Americans knows what it means. The reason why the moderate backs away is because it's too radical in their limited framework.

This is the same argument utilized against the abolition of slavery. Lincoln did not want to say the words "emancipation" and "abolition" because he was afraid it would cause a divide between white moderates in the North and border states-- guess what, it happened anyway, and he eventually succumbed to pushing for a full abolition of slavery regardless. You don't even have to look this far back-- this always happens.

You educate and push that the working class (including a good chunk of the middle class, and regardless of race) are fundamentally opponents of the police. You don't turn away the slogan, you light a fire under the asses of those who oppose it. Cover social media, move on the ground-- emphasize the community, and juxtapose it against the elites (that the police protect). Grassroots mobilization is the future of the left-- the DNC is a complete and utter failure.

The Young Blizzard

5y

I care about winning elections so we can make real reforms

allmygirlsdoyoga

5y

“We’ve given you blackies enough! Now, stop scaring white people!” - OP

The Young Blizzard

5y

I care about winning elections so we can make real reforms

DAVIDP

5y

Wouldn't work. As long as people have guns, their gonna commit crimes. At time has gone on people have less and less morals.

CLDP

5y

You need to understand violence. Have a look at the research conducted by Cure Violence NYC on the science of violent behaviour. You speak too anecdotally - on a small scale

The Young Blizzard

5y

Shut up you’re a f***ing idiot

If you want a Revolution just say it

Sonic Winter

5y

which dem ran on that slogan though? how many?

sir shrimpy

5y

You and a lot of people itt have been talking this way, and its leaving me confused. Don't you want these changes to actually happen, though? And don't you realize that change only comes in this country with mass appeal and votes?

5% of the population can scream something at the top of their lungs for years, but unless they're able to translate it to be digestable and appealing to the mass..nothing will happen.

You can't go from 0-100 in matters like this. It sounds great..but it won't happen. Too many reactionary and close-minded people out there will never give you a chance.

As a progressive I'd love to see the system rewritten from the ground up..but you can't tell the casual and comfortable American that from the get-go or they'll dismiss you immediately.

DAVIDP

5y

I've had run ins with violence, yeah I'm not for this

CLDP

5y

That’s fair. I practice Law and from what I see, policing is a callous institution. And a more healthy political culture is advocating for communities to learn the tools to engage with each other about problems and disputes, so they don’t have to consider what to do after anti-social behaviors are exhibited in the first place. I’m searching for a less violent world, and I’m hopeful

ASAKI

5y

This is the folly of liberalism. It doesn't matter what the slogan is; it will never be good enough. Liberals are too inundated with the optics of saying "defund the police".

Every damn person who hears the words "defund the police" knows what it means. You know what it means. I know what it means. The most rural of Americans knows what it means. The reason why the moderate backs away is because it's too radical in their limited framework.

This is the same argument utilized against the abolition of slavery. Lincoln did not want to say the words "emancipation" and "abolition" because he was afraid it would cause a divide between white moderates in the North and border states-- guess what, it happened anyway, and he eventually succumbed to pushing for a full abolition of slavery regardless. You don't even have to look this far back-- this always happens.

You educate and push that the working class (including a good chunk of the middle class, and regardless of race) are fundamentally opponents of the police. You don't turn away the slogan, you light a fire under the asses of those who oppose it. Cover social media, move on the ground-- emphasize the community, and juxtapose it against the elites (that the police protect). Grassroots mobilization is the future of the left-- the DNC is a complete and utter failure.

allmygirlsdoyoga

5y

In matter of fact, the only slogan that is better than “Defund the Police” is “No More White Police Officers”

KOL Meezy Mestizo

5y

TL;DR this thread: OP is a pragmatic moderate with reactionary tendencies,

idealists with more knowledge of theory inevitably butt heads,

fireworks.

Popcorn is $0.99 at the concessions stand