Palestinian Oozi

5y

I’m going to keep saying this. Within hip hop culture, it’s disingenuous and hypocritical to take such an adamant stance on this and then simultaneously not have any moral urgency on the overwhelming content that should be deemed as wrong. If we’re talking right or wrong, it doesn’t make sense. Hip-Hop is very brash and offensive by nature. I’m not going to say how dare dababy say this, when I haven’t taken any stance on him having a lot of lyrics that if you apply the same logic to, you should have equal outrage. S*** is dumb lol.

Palestinian Oozi

5y

I’m going to keep saying this. Within hip hop culture, it’s disingenuous and hypocritical to take such an adamant stance on this and then simultaneously not have any moral urgency on the overwhelming content that should be deemed as wrong. If we’re talking right or wrong, it doesn’t make sense. Hip-Hop is very brash and offensive by nature. I’m not going to say how dare dababy say this, when I haven’t taken any stance on him having a lot of lyrics that if you apply the same logic to, you should have equal outrage. S*** is dumb lol.

Not Like Josuke

5y

Most of the brash/offensive content in hip hop is given a pass because it’s usually cause the rapper grew up in the streets. Also a good chunk of people ARE against that s***. But just as many find it ok for the reason I just stated.

Dababys rant had nothing to do with any song or anything and was just completely unnecessary. How can you really justify him doing that?

It’s ACTUALLY disingenuous and hypocritical to try and compare his rant to hip hops longstanding violent/offensive lyrics only now, when you can use it to defend homophobia

Palestinian Oozi

5y

I’m going to keep saying this. Within hip hop culture, it’s disingenuous and hypocritical to take such an adamant stance on this and then simultaneously not have any moral urgency on the overwhelming content that should be deemed as wrong. If we’re talking right or wrong, it doesn’t make sense. Hip-Hop is very brash and offensive by nature. I’m not going to say how dare dababy say this, when I haven’t taken any stance on him having a lot of lyrics that if you apply the same logic to, you should have equal outrage. S*** is dumb lol.

Not Like Josuke

5y

Most of the brash/offensive content in hip hop is given a pass because it’s usually cause the rapper grew up in the streets. Also a good chunk of people ARE against that s***. But just as many find it ok for the reason I just stated.

Dababys rant had nothing to do with any song or anything and was just completely unnecessary. How can you really justify him doing that?

It’s ACTUALLY disingenuous and hypocritical to try and compare his rant to hip hops longstanding violent/offensive lyrics only now, when you can use it to defend homophobia

iCarly Japan

5y

Great read, especially this part:
" It’s acceptance with a caveat: You can be gay, bi, trans, pan, nonbinary, what have you, so long as you don’t make too much noise about it. If you coddle hip-hop’s cisgendered, heteronormative core, you can cook. If you show too much queer attraction and self-expression, people get uncomfortable. The illusion of respect for our differences erodes. Acceptance is conditional upon giving the masses something to relate to. Young M.A is appreciated because straight male hip-hop fans see themselves in her verses about romancing women; there’s enough ambiguity and fluidity in Tyler, the Creator’s music to give a listener plausible deniability about whether the song they’re listening to is about falling in love with a man or not."

Not Like Josuke

5y

Most of the brash/offensive content in hip hop is given a pass because it’s usually cause the rapper grew up in the streets. Also a good chunk of people ARE against that s***. But just as many find it ok for the reason I just stated.

Dababys rant had nothing to do with any song or anything and was just completely unnecessary. How can you really justify him doing that?

It’s ACTUALLY disingenuous and hypocritical to try and compare his rant to hip hops longstanding violent/offensive lyrics only now, when you can use it to defend homophobia

che_guevara

5y

man what

Palestinian Oozi

5y

Where did I justify it? I’m critiquing the audience’s hypocrisy, not defending dababy. That’s just your misreading and projection. I’m saying as the same mass consumers, many who did not grow up in the streets, others who do not have to face the realities of the consequences that motivate their content, if you’re happily content consuming the content for personal entertainment (which is inspired at the detriment of people who come from unfortunate situations), then it is quite hypocritical to turn around and now hold a moral high ground on the same artist bc their content and bravado finally stung your sensibilities. It was never that artist’s platform to begin with. It’s a pretty simple concept.

Not Like Josuke

5y

I was asking HOW can you justify that.

Hip hops violent lyrics can at the very least be justified based on where the rappers grew up. We all on some level know it’s wrong, but we also GET why that type of content exists. So most people aren’t in any rush to condemn it.

If a rapper goes and says something homophobic tho, what’s the justification?

perry

5y

Black man can rap about killing other black men & soon as he say something homophobic it’s a problem. As long as it’s destructive to African Americans society does not care.

Palestinian Oozi

5y

I’m not trying to justify it. Lol. You keep dancing away from what I’m saying about the consumer. But let’s go with your question just as an exercise. You think the environment that fill in the blank rapper grew up in, and was raised in, was the beacon of progressive sexual identity concepts while also being a place of gang violence, d****, whatever tropes you want to throw at it? This once again shows you’re only allowing yourself to make exceptions for the things a rapper says that don’t bother specifically you.

Not Like Josuke

5y

Nope, there’s homophobia is every community not just the hood.

The gang violence and d**** is literally the main things that these street rappers focus on tho to the point where they make up entire sub genres like Drill and Trap.

Idk why you choosing this hill to die on.

iCarly Japan

5y

Great read, especially this part:
" It’s acceptance with a caveat: You can be gay, bi, trans, pan, nonbinary, what have you, so long as you don’t make too much noise about it. If you coddle hip-hop’s cisgendered, heteronormative core, you can cook. If you show too much queer attraction and self-expression, people get uncomfortable. The illusion of respect for our differences erodes. Acceptance is conditional upon giving the masses something to relate to. Young M.A is appreciated because straight male hip-hop fans see themselves in her verses about romancing women; there’s enough ambiguity and fluidity in Tyler, the Creator’s music to give a listener plausible deniability about whether the song they’re listening to is about falling in love with a man or not."