snowboyrari

2y

did krishna do his "read marx" comment yet that he does when he gives up and crashes out

Santiago

2y

How the f*** is this a government issue besides make more money, which again is not exclusive to males

krishna bound

2y

let me give you two material examples so you can stop acting like this is all fictitious nonsense

A. Single Fatherhood


Single fatherhood statistically has been on the rise for years, but men are still seen in the old patriarchal light as decades ago. This is actually because of complications in how society unjustly hates motherhood and believes certain old roles to be true of men and women. While yes, that means societal policy needs adaptation to support motherhood and child rearing/childcare, things are like Section 8 are very often (depending on locality) not available to single fathers and the rise of no-fault divorce created a ripple with boomers that psychologically affected children (both men and women). This does not mean Section 8 and no-fault divorce are bad. However, we as a society are not equipped well to deal with single fathers, particularly due to ideas such as men with children = s***offender or that men still must exist with patriarchal ideas. Fatherhood is actually often shamed because of patriarchal ideas of men needing to subject women rather than "being subjected themselves". These ideas are bad, but are only being addressed through conservatism (whose ideas are stupid) or neutral language (which doesn't capture the actual issue).

B. Dual Income Households and Converge of Roles

This is a universal issue. Of course it is not good that in parental homes, both parents must work. This points to a weak economy and means that both parents are working. However, there is an underlying obligation for men to work because being a stay-at-home dad is shamed by both women and men alike. This means family structures are still dependent on old patriarchal ideas, which at times is complicating relationships between women and men. Yes, this is a female issue because women need to work while being mothers. However, it is socially acceptable for women to be mothers. It is not for men. This creates a situation which causes forces toxic relationships between men and women. This could be easily fixed through gender neutral policy. However, no one is discussing this in a way that is obvious to families that this is both a men and women issue, and not gendered.

Santiago

2y

We have existing programs for single parents 😂😂 you just don’t like how single fathers are viewed in society which is a very real thing but not a political issue. And the argument that men can’t get section 8 is just a blatant lie. Also plenty of states have things like paternal leave for new fathers and let me tell u they are not the more conservative ones. But you want to be pacified more than any policy I could give u. Y’all keep creating this angle that the argument is that male issues don’t exist. We have never been having that conversation

Plight2

2y

im kind of confused about a lot of the contra krisha gets itt. i thought most of the male depression stuff was well known and spread by popular media figures. guess not

krishna bound

2y

it is literally melting your mind that i am talking about men from a non-conservative angle

Everest

2y

The male depression, male-specific alienation stuff is largely talked about online by charlatans at best and fascists at worst (mostly a mixture of both), which I would assume makes people instinctively push back, assuming that you must be of that ilk if you are talking about it.

Santiago

2y

You’ve brought up men flocking to conservatism. It’s not thrown out for no reason good try tho

snowboyrari

2y

khrisha really just going thru the loser talking points like he's reading off a list

this is your brain on being an "anti-communist marxist", absolutely b****less behavior

krishna bound

2y

i said it's not surprising conservatives are preying on this vulnerability as their pull is rooted in pushing the patriarchal values matched by older generations they still face pressure from. This isn't advocacy, it's a fact that isn't being dealt with beyond face value. My entire point is two things: A) that neutral policy actually affects men positively but this is underdiscussed in discourse and B) patriarchal social norms actually affect men negatively but discourse focuses on men more than not as perpetrators without recognizing victims. That's it

Plight2

2y

i guess idk lol. just thought people knew the facts already, suicide rates etc

Plight2

2y

all of this is literally decided by politics like man what

Santiago

2y

Are u voting for the candidate that makes u feel more comfortable integrating at work or the one that gets u more friends?

mjpplus

2y

I am probably going to spend election night with my phone on DND and playing COD til midnight

I do not want the migraine of following coverage

krishna bound

2y

people online are very obsessed with the way discussions are coded and anything you say becomes an extension of that assumption. the worst code words are things like "white" or "men". the inverse happens with right wingers, who freak out when you mention things like "equality"/"equity" or "minority".
i don't inherently blame people for defensiveness, everyone does this with certain terms, myself included. however people are definitely inserting emotional spins on genuine topics because they're worried about highlighting demographics deemed dangerous. i understand why, i'm not stupid, i get how easy it is to go from "men are victims"->"women are the perpetrators" and why its important to not foster that link even inadvertently, but sometimes the obsession with this causes neutral discussions to get clouded

snowboyrari

2y

khrisha really just going thru the loser talking points like he's reading off a list

this is your brain on being an "anti-communist marxist", absolutely b****less behavior

Plight2

2y

something you should decide for yourself

Santiago

2y

“Men and women face the same issues politically”

What a slippery slope

Santiago

2y

That was a question for you. Me personally I’m voting for whoever can give me a defined role in society!

snowboyrari

2y

you replied but I ain't reading it. maybe if you go on another megalomaniacal psychotic rant about how the left is alienating white people ill unblock you for clowning purposes but thats it.

Santiago

2y

Yeah man men have problems. What an uncomfortable revelatory topic. Thank you for being so brave and challenging my librul echo chamber