I am probably going to spend election night with my phone on DND and playing COD til midnight
I do not want the migraine of following coverage
I love watching John King play with the maps too much to not watch lol
the problem at the core is that we as a society have increasingly agreed as a commonality to move away from patriarchal norms but the ideas and social concepts introduced by said norms still exist blatantly on a casual level. This doesn't mean some dumb s*** like "men are left behind because they can't keep women hostage economically". It just means that social discourse surrounding men hasn't caught up to different societal morals and trends. Of course, this hasn't for women either - no one is doubting that. But it's not a zero sum game.
My god
I am probably going to spend election night with my phone on DND and playing COD til midnight
I do not want the migraine of following coverage
got drunk with the peeps and had a orgy last time
we will see
I love watching John King play with the maps too much to not watch lol
Kornacki > King tbh
I am probably going to spend election night with my phone on DND and playing COD til midnight
I do not want the migraine of following coverage
There is a high chance this doesn't happen and I'm glued to coverage regardless lmao
got drunk with the peeps and had a orgy last time
we will see
Nutting while Kamala edges Trump barely would be nasty work
I love watching John King play with the maps too much to not watch lol
EU4/Civilization stim brainrot
got drunk with the peeps and had a orgy last time
we will see
congrats on the s***bro
someone being sympathetic in addressing certain phenomena doesn't inherently imply the government needs to step in and fix it - it just means that awareness of representation is particularly powerful in common discourse. Wider societal discourse does actually have an effect on social society.
Of course no one is going to be a magical source of suddenly fixing what is primarily a social and multi-generational issue, no less such a divisive one given its differential existence amongst overlapping issues facing all wider demographics.
However, you can't tell me with a straight face that fair acknowledgement of a phenomenon which is being hijacked otherwise by bad actors only deserves similar hostility when looking for alternative solutions.
I'm sorry but "just get a gf", "just suck it up", "just deal with it", "just change who you are as a person and what your male family tells to be, it's easy" aren't valid and play into the exact same very literal toxic masculinity that men are suffering from their generational fore-bearers mocking them for to begin with
I wouldn't say "get a gf or suck it up" etc but I would say learn to adapt like every other human has ever done. Ive been there too but I'm older so my self pity young man phase at was not happening during the "manosphere" days. the the fix was the same tho and it wasn't something a politician told me to do.
I honestly don't know how you acknowledge it without pretending everybody else isn't facing the same dilemmas.
My god
look dude if you don't care, you don't care. it's fine. but clearly there's people who agree across ethnic lines and it's not just because they're all secretly sexist/racist/stupid/whatever. perhaps i'm not the best messenger, but you cannot doubt where there's smoke there's fire for there being a valid issue/concern here
look dude if you don't care, you don't care. it's fine. but clearly there's people who agree across ethnic lines and it's not just because they're all secretly sexist/racist/stupid/whatever. perhaps i'm not the best messenger, but you cannot doubt where there's smoke there's fire for there being a valid issue/concern here
Again, conservativism is addressing any male issue it just gives someone to blame for the stagnation. You’ve already conceded that the government can’t fix these issues but keep harping on the fact the conversation needs to be had. So just have the f***ing conversation you don’t need politicians to address u personally like a baby to be pacified
I wouldn't say "get a gf or suck it up" etc but I would say learn to adapt like every other human has ever done. Ive been there too but I'm older so my self pity young man phase at was not happening during the "manosphere" days. the the fix was the same tho and it wasn't something a politician told me to do.
I honestly don't know how you acknowledge it without pretending everybody else isn't facing the same dilemmas.
I agree that adaptation is meaningful and needed, but i would say that this needs to be facilitated through conversation and (often) mentorship in wider society and discourse. it's of course a 2-way street. i don't think the answer is just a magical father figure coming in and fixing everything for struggling men, nor the government just suddenly fixing non-policy related problems - of course men need to cooperate alongside changing social norms. i'm just saying people to need to recognize these issues exist, and it's not as simple as men just sucking it up or getting wives.
You said something about males not being able to get wives but their family pressures them the same as if it were the bygone era. Brother who do you think these men are expected to marry??? Women feel the exact same pressure and my point remains that there are no explicit male issues politically
You said something about males not being able to get wives but their family pressures them the same as if it were the bygone era. Brother who do you think these men are expected to marry??? Women feel the exact same pressure and my point remains that there are no explicit male issues politically
that's the point
that's the point
Your point in specifying male issues is something that effects men and women the same??
U said men are having less children lmaoooo. Really think about that for a second
Your point in specifying male issues is something that effects men and women the same??
look, i'm going to make it simple for you so you can stop throwing non-sequitur responses for me. i know "men" is a conservative red flag or whatever, so you automatically jump to being on the defensive since you think you're arguing someone you've put together in your head. whatever affects women, affects men. this does not mean men are more important than women. this does not mean men's issues are not amplified more in women. this does not mean men need special attention. this means that when things change with women, things change with men. there are still conservative and patriarchal ideas in society that affect men. they also affect women. this is bad. when men bring this up, they are clowned. this is bad. discussing with men how norms and standards have changed does not cancel out the attention and policies aimed at women. there is a validity in discussing with men evolved and adapted roles over time as they are fair to women instead of expecting them to automatically understand it when their primary societal exposure is still to patriarchal ideas that are embroiled against what is right for women
Lmao of course my mail-in ballot is “lost”
Can’t make it home by Tuesday, so looks like I won’t be voting..
did krishna do his "read marx" comment yet that he does when he gives up and crashes out
let me give you two material examples so you can stop acting like this is all fictitious nonsense
A. Single Fatherhood

Single fatherhood statistically has been on the rise for years, but men are still seen in the old patriarchal light as decades ago. This is actually because of complications in how society unjustly hates motherhood and believes certain old roles to be true of men and women. While yes, that means societal policy needs adaptation to support motherhood and child rearing/childcare, things are like Section 8 are very often (depending on locality) not available to single fathers and the rise of no-fault divorce created a ripple with boomers that psychologically affected children (both men and women). This does not mean Section 8 and no-fault divorce are bad. However, we as a society are not equipped well to deal with single fathers, particularly due to ideas such as men with children = s***offender or that men still must exist with patriarchal ideas. Fatherhood is actually often shamed because of patriarchal ideas of men needing to subject women rather than "being subjected themselves". These ideas are bad, but are only being addressed through conservatism (whose ideas are stupid) or neutral language (which doesn't capture the actual issue).
B. Dual Income Households and Converge of Roles
This is a universal issue. Of course it is not good that in parental homes, both parents must work. This points to a weak economy and means that both parents are working. However, there is an underlying obligation for men to work because being a stay-at-home dad is shamed by both women and men alike. This means family structures are still dependent on old patriarchal ideas, which at times is complicating relationships between women and men. Yes, this is a female issue because women need to work while being mothers. However, it is socially acceptable for women to be mothers. It is not for men. This creates a situation which causes forces toxic relationships between men and women. This could be easily fixed through gender neutral policy. However, no one is discussing this in a way that is obvious to families that this is both a men and women issue, and not gendered.
Lmao of course my mail-in ballot is “lost”
Can’t make it home by Tuesday, so looks like I won’t be voting..
Do you live in one of the places that had the ballot box fire bombed?