That s*** really came and went, no one gives a s*** anymore not even the Trump fans

lol it's not, if that is the way you perceive it she has no chance

if an actual recession doesn't happen, she's fine

perception is a bullshit indicator. last clear recession was in 2020 and a reason Trump lost.

Begging for them to give me a reason to vote for her and they do this

Its over if kamala picks this guy for VP wtf.

this guy is literally more moderate on israel than half the DNC and it's clear he's under more of a magnifying glass because he's jewish
which i mean fair enough from a public PR/general elect standpoint but the s*** being said by high ranking non-jew dems like Pelosi (or even Obama) is far worse and doesn't get called into attention nearly as much
even in the context of VP you can clearly tell the actual issue is with him being jewish and not his views on israel; like, shapiro called on Netanyahu to step down and said he at least supports a two state solution. mark kelly literally personally welcomed Netanyahu to congress and said civilian casualties in Gaza weren't a big deal
people think kelly is the better less-contentious-on-israel VP candidate
i don't think either of them are good or have particularly good views on anything but at least be honest about why hes not a good VP pick

Between this and if the economy worsens in a couple months it’s not a done deal

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shapiro and kelly are the same sort of zionist scumbag. who cares that he supports the labour zionist "two-state" non-solution, its a fantasy. like santa and the easter bunny.

Ima be real honest with you and say absolutely nobody gives a f*** if he is jewish or not just remove the fantasy from your head please

this isn't about the 10 people on KTT2 or actual leftists
that guy he's quoting on twitter for example is literally just a democrat neoliberal shill and over half the country is neoliberal
the fact the harris VP committee thinks shapiro is too contentious on israel but other democrats aren't when shapiro is basically in line with moderate pre-existing DNC policy implies the real issue is that he's jewish

see the above

from a political standpoint, the problem is he has too many dumb statements and actions regarding Israel palestine. Actually every one of the vp are bad on palestine theres no debating that. But only he compared the protestors to KKK . The netanyahu thing i guess is a plus and shows him backtracking, but I think its pretty clear to anyone the guy has some deep seated hatred for palestinians and probably would be just as deferential to israel as biden or trump

half the country is not "neoliberal", what. I think you really overestimate how many devoted "liberals" exist, most people straight up dont care about the propaganda of the dnc.

I don't like this implication that palestine is an issue that doesn't divide voters. if its not then why does anybody talk about it? if palestine is still a fringe issue that can't effect the election why was their a massive global protest movement, much of which was in the US?

bro you're reading into something that isn't what i'm talking about even remotely

this is all i'm saying, very simply:
1) Harris is looking for a VP, and the point of the VP is to have strategic (and general public) appeal
2) Media which is discussing this is largely discussing this in that sense
3) The Democratic Party by and large supports Israel
4) Harris has currently about 5 potential VPs
5) All of her potential VPs have the same views on Israel, which are in line with the wider party pro-Israeli platform
6) Only Shapiro has received significant contention for his stances on Israel

what does that imply

the point i'm making is that when you actually look at the reality of his statements in the wider context of the DNC his statements are extremely mild if not in line with the party's politics (again - in context of the party's existing platform, NOT my views or moral views) so acting as if he is uniquely worse than other candidates for being pro-israel clearly implies something

Okay lets say youre right that the issue is he's jewish. What possible problem could him being jewish bring to the table. Why would liberals not want a jewish vp.

you have this backwards
i'm not saying that liberals are anti-jew, i'm saying that clearly the reason why on social media and in the eye of the media at large, it's easy to focus on him being uniquely worse than others due to him being jewish
i don't think the harris team especially cares if he's jewish. however they likely think having a jew on their team makes them vulnerable to a particular side of the DNC voting base because it intrinsically seems to link them to israel in spite of it being in line with party views regardless

Again this doesn't even hold because many of the loudest voices on the dem side in support of palestine are jewish. i dont think people make that link that jewish = pro israel immediately. Shapiros statements and actions are just uniquely weird and terrible despite the fact they have the same views. Just replace "palestinian" his earlier statements and replace it with "jew" . You'll realise how crazy it sounds

are the "loudest voices on the dem side in support of palestine" in the running for VP? This is just clearly not true and also doesn't add up in context of both the election and administrative policy. It's not a hard pill to swallow - who cares if they don't want him because they thinking having a jewish VP hurts electability by creating an innate link to israel. I'm not screaming anti-semitism here; I'm observing what is clearly a casual trend in politics.
I mean, there is already a level to racial contracts in elections, hence why Harris is obsessing over finding a white VP right now instead of a minority (even if the minority is - and probably would be - more qualified). I'm just saying that I'd prefer if people cut the bullshit and admitted that race essentialism is clearly still heavily ingrained not only in electoralism but is so deep that it's affecting wider discourse supposedly rooted elsewhere

With less intelligent participants this convo would've gotten nasty quick af lol

Yeah I mean I want Beshear because of his domestic policies with regards to unions

But it’s kinda wild if people think that a moderate Kentucky Christian dude is gonna have some sort of progressive stance on foreign policy — I feel like the only difference between him and Shapiro in that regard is that Beshear has just never needed to be put on the spot with his take on it, and as a result he’s been able to remain “ambiguous” as to his stance on the issue

If you want Beshear or Walz over Shapiro for foreign policy reasons, then you will be very disappointed imo

Oh my god? Are we back???

Pelosi putting up numbers this year wtf

He’s so good at this kind of stuff. Missing the chance to put this guy up against Vance at the VP debate will be a huge fumble

beshear is definitely the best pick from Harris's strategic pov
he's a boring white guy with a boring white family who has very high approval ratings in an otherwise red state and has a (by democrat standards) decent to amicable economic policies that appeal to both crossover voters and the economic base trump has been trying to grab
i think from her pov walz is a fine pick in terms of policy but i don't see what strategic advantage he really has by comparison