Watching tonight

I certainly get that but I feel like they were all prisoners to something

There’s an incredible amount of subtext to back most of the problems that I or others had with the ending, it just isn’t executed the best way in terms of dialogue. I still give Isayama tons of props for at least being able to put that subtext there though

I felt like cryin wit armin man

That's not Stockholm syndrome at all though. King Fritz never showed any act of kindness to Ymir. Killed her family, burned her home, cut her tongue out, and enslaved her. Maybe it would make more sense that she developed an inferiority complex as a slave which she was never able to shake even in the afterlife. But instead we had to get a half-assed parallel with Mikasa

She "loved" Fritz because she had his kids. Ymir was looking at the other mothers/concubines getting all of Fritz's attention. Could Isayama write the stockholm syndrome situation better? Sure. However, stockholm occurs for any reason when the hostage bonds with their captor.

Perceived threat to survival
Kindness from captor
Isolation
Perceived Inability to escape

Hated this episode tbh

I feel like not liking the characters ruined the experience for me. Otherwise I would’ve cried / felt emotional for them. But I felt like it wasn’t earned.

I was bawling at Connie and Jean, no lie.

Was pissed that they got revived tbh

This is such an extreme case that I have to seriously suspend disbelief to believe it. To me, it's just bad writing to shoehorn in the Mikasa being her inspiration s*** which was never previously built upon. Mikasa's character was terrible and the author wanted to make her relevant last minute

Yeah… the mikasa thing made zero sense to me. Still need to rewatch

Final ED so heartbreaking & heartwarming at the same time

Calling Mikasa an irrelevant character is just nuts

Eren was damsel in distress and Mikasa his Mario for 80% of the show. I remember how the big time Eren simping began only after the timeskip when they all thought he was gonna do 180 IQ s***. Only then to turn around and be shocked that Eren still an idiot

I’ll take it a step further. Albeit this is probably not the case.

Mikasa isn’t just inspiration for Ymir… Mikasa IS Ymir reincarnated without “life”. The headaches she gets from “opposing her host” is actually Ymir within her. She says things in S1 that we are led to believe Mikasa is somehow the key to everything (rewatch it, it’s not fate that’s keeping her alive). Truth is, she is and Eren even says it in the finale

Think about this as well: In the end, no matter the character, everyone got their “wish”: Gabi, Falco, Pieck, Reiner, Annie returned home to their family. Connie had his mom revived. Armin got to cross the sea. Jean got to make a family with Mikasa (shown in Night Before End, that wasn’t a dream; I’m sure Eren showed him that) Eren got to protect his friends. But what was Mikasa’s wish? For Eren to live. Which unfortunately was what she had to let go to end it all

I want you all to rewatch or watch the very last OVA. Lost Girls: Lost in a Cruel World

Peak fiction. Bystander is one of the best chapters/episodes of the series

Perfectly exemplifies one of the core messages of the series, amazing scene

What did she supply to the plot since season 1-2

One of the most important scenes in the entire manga, laying out the main theme that has engulfed the entire story from ch 1 to 139, the reason mikasa had to be the one to make that choice. Unfortunately cant find this clip with the previous part included tho, which was part of mikasa's flashback which of course is also foundational for the entire story. Trost arc is seriously underrated for its importance down to the very last arc, 10 years later and more than 100 chapters later. Everything the story has to say was introduced here, too bad isayama's art was dogshit in this part, would love a redraw as an extra volume

Wym "supply to the plot". She is a main character that appears in pretty much every chapter. She is the plot.

Going from complere loyalty to eren saving him countless timesn then to almost putting down the scarf during the yaegerist saga due to the moral conflict she now fazes with Erens insane actions and finally the ending it all is her character arc. Its no different to Armin becoming a leader or Eren losing his mind and forgetting whats important to him cause he can only see the enemy and his wrong sense of freedom.

or do you want her to do another rumbling??

Either give her character outside of pleasing Eren or make their relationship more engaging / convincing. And for a story with a lot happening she barely has anything interesting to do.

That Eren line about Mikasa felt out of character and unjustified.

You may not like it but it doesnt make her character arc irrelevant. I would argue being a more passive person that cant communicate their own interests very well especially around people like Eren who are extremely assertive and always looking ahead, never back is a character many people can invest into. Might not be for you tho.

And sure she may not be the typical character to get a basically chosen one ending but why the heck not? Its not like theres a rulebook.

I want her to be something other than obsessed with Eren

Dont disagree. Female characters being overly obsessed with a guy is a tired trope. But thats basically going back to chapter 1 and completely changing who she is. Its also an issue that aot always had. The characters are pretty onedimensional having usually only 1 or 2 things going on for them and thats shockingly often something about love.

Still do think the ending was a great closure to all 3 main characters journey and wrapped it up nicely. And saying there arent any reason why ymir was so interested in Mikasa or Mikasa was irrelevant just dont make sense to me

save Eren? Plus in the manga she was the one who found the wall titan