aauraa

11mo

yo we as men are f***ed

Jugern0t

11mo

I am not so sure that this guy isn't just trolling. But, I read s*** about this MTM/Cult/Scam and women fall for it too. I think our whole society is f***ed.

aauraa

11mo

good to know we arent alone

ghosting

11mo

sweet script

RoyalSavant

11mo

Also these same trainings were used in the Netflix documentary The Program. They used them in a horrible way if anybody wants to dive deeper. On a positive note I believe Pete Carroll, the football coach used some of these techniques in a positive light

So again it's highly dependent on the people behind the programs.

Jugern0t

11mo

Look at this one: https://www.reddit.com/r/cults/comments/1i648qr/i_think_i_went_to_a_cult_disguised_as_a_self_help/

"Posting this from a throwaway because I'm scared for my safety. I just completed a 3 day self improvement workshop at the LAX Hilton airport. I've been struggling with a lot, being unemployed from my finance job, boyfriend left me and I was in a vulnerable place. My best friend took this workshop she said changed her life and she convinced me that I need to do it. I paid over $700 plus airfare and a hotel and just put it on credit cards because I was desperate for a change.

Once there I think I was emotionally abused for 3 days. They locked almost 100 of us in the conference room at the hotel where the leader berated us and yelled at us. We had to make hand gestures and ask his permission to use the bathroom or drink. If you did it wrong or straight up asked you would get yelled at. The first night I thought it was a scam and a cult when I overheard my best friend calling the leader "all mighty." She convinced me I needed to give it one more day and I did. On Friday they did all these group sessions where they played lullaby's, left us sleep deprived hungry and thirsty and I left that day completely broken. She told me this was normal and that it's an emotional purge and we need to finish the class for the healing.

On Saturday we were all told to strip to our underwear and line up. One by one the leader Ariya pointed all every flaw of ours. He told me I was fat and he could see why no one loves me. He told me my breasts were saggy and I looked disgusting. I don't know why I even did it no one forced us and about 15% of people just stood in the corner and didn't participate. I cried myself to sleep when we got out at 3am. Sunday I went back and we lined up outside the bathroom. the leader told us this was the last step of disposing our old selves. One by one I watched 30 people in front of me walk in as the leader told them to put their head in the toilet of the conference room as he flushed it and told us to chant "I am worthy." People were walking out saying they felt the weight off their shoulders so I just did it. After that it was totally different. It was like everyone had a new lease on life except me. He told us we were completely done shedding our old useless selves. I completely bought it. I just felt so broken.

We had a big catered feast and sang and dance. It was so great because I was so hungry and tired. He told us this was the start of our new path in life and that we needed to sign up for the next class that's almost $2500 to finish our work otherwise we'd be giving up on ourselves. I tried saying I couldn't afford it but the other workers kept telling me it was a tiny amount of money and I need to prove that I believe in myself enough to invest. They were blocking the doors. I felt so pressured and desperate so l signed up.

Now I'm back home and I haven't been able to get out of bed all day. I feel completely worthless. I feel like I need serious help now and don't know where to turn. I tried contacting them to cancel the next class because I really can't afford it but they told me l've given my word and it's non refundable. I tried disputing the charge and now volunteers are calling me that I'm a fraud and betraying them and my word. I don't know what to do or how to get my money back. I feel betrayed by my friend but she keeps telling me this is normal and I need to put in the work and finish the next session to build myself. Has anyone done a group therapy session like this and where do I go from here?"

A different organization, but similar concept. They prey on people who are at their lowest. It's sick and should be illegal.

RICH

11mo

where'd you move?

Jugern0t

11mo

Look at this one: https://www.reddit.com/r/cults/comments/1i648qr/i_think_i_went_to_a_cult_disguised_as_a_self_help/

"Posting this from a throwaway because I'm scared for my safety. I just completed a 3 day self improvement workshop at the LAX Hilton airport. I've been struggling with a lot, being unemployed from my finance job, boyfriend left me and I was in a vulnerable place. My best friend took this workshop she said changed her life and she convinced me that I need to do it. I paid over $700 plus airfare and a hotel and just put it on credit cards because I was desperate for a change.

Once there I think I was emotionally abused for 3 days. They locked almost 100 of us in the conference room at the hotel where the leader berated us and yelled at us. We had to make hand gestures and ask his permission to use the bathroom or drink. If you did it wrong or straight up asked you would get yelled at. The first night I thought it was a scam and a cult when I overheard my best friend calling the leader "all mighty." She convinced me I needed to give it one more day and I did. On Friday they did all these group sessions where they played lullaby's, left us sleep deprived hungry and thirsty and I left that day completely broken. She told me this was normal and that it's an emotional purge and we need to finish the class for the healing.

On Saturday we were all told to strip to our underwear and line up. One by one the leader Ariya pointed all every flaw of ours. He told me I was fat and he could see why no one loves me. He told me my breasts were saggy and I looked disgusting. I don't know why I even did it no one forced us and about 15% of people just stood in the corner and didn't participate. I cried myself to sleep when we got out at 3am. Sunday I went back and we lined up outside the bathroom. the leader told us this was the last step of disposing our old selves. One by one I watched 30 people in front of me walk in as the leader told them to put their head in the toilet of the conference room as he flushed it and told us to chant "I am worthy." People were walking out saying they felt the weight off their shoulders so I just did it. After that it was totally different. It was like everyone had a new lease on life except me. He told us we were completely done shedding our old useless selves. I completely bought it. I just felt so broken.

We had a big catered feast and sang and dance. It was so great because I was so hungry and tired. He told us this was the start of our new path in life and that we needed to sign up for the next class that's almost $2500 to finish our work otherwise we'd be giving up on ourselves. I tried saying I couldn't afford it but the other workers kept telling me it was a tiny amount of money and I need to prove that I believe in myself enough to invest. They were blocking the doors. I felt so pressured and desperate so l signed up.

Now I'm back home and I haven't been able to get out of bed all day. I feel completely worthless. I feel like I need serious help now and don't know where to turn. I tried contacting them to cancel the next class because I really can't afford it but they told me l've given my word and it's non refundable. I tried disputing the charge and now volunteers are calling me that I'm a fraud and betraying them and my word. I don't know what to do or how to get my money back. I feel betrayed by my friend but she keeps telling me this is normal and I need to put in the work and finish the next session to build myself. Has anyone done a group therapy session like this and where do I go from here?"

A different organization, but similar concept. They prey on people who are at their lowest. It's sick and should be illegal.

Knx

11mo

I’d probs get a new therapist.

plants

11mo

nah this dude my og he even officiated my wedding and hooked me up with an ayahuasca ceremony. never done me wrong always kept it real with me he's a great man

Sir Real

11mo

A 2007 Houston Press article34 detailed criticisms of the ManKind Project. Anthropology associate professor Norris G. Lang35 said that some of the groups' exercises that he attended were "fairly traumatic" and were "dangerous territory for an unprofessional"; and Anti-cult advocate Rick Alan Ross said that The ManKind Project appears to use coercive mind-control tactics, such as limiting participants' sleep and diet, cutting them off from the outside world, forcing members to keep secrets, and using intimidation.[34

A 2007 wrongful death lawsuit filed by the parents of Texan Michael Scinto charged that MKP was responsible for his suicide.34 The parents said that he had struggled with alcohol and cocaine addiction in the past. Scinto was a 29-year-old adult who had been sober for a year and a half prior to his attending MKP's New Warrior Training Adventure in July 2005. Two days after Scinto returned from the NWTA retreat, he sought psychiatric help at Ben Taub Hospital. He subsequently resumed drinking and taking d****, and he then committed suicide.34 The parties settled in 2008. The terms of the settlement were not publicly disclosed, although a copy of the court documents were posted online by Warren Throckmorton,39 and aspects of the settlement were reported in the press.4041

Knx

11mo

oh then he's not your therapist, he's your friend.

like i said, get new therapist.

RoyalSavant

11mo

Yea so another issue with these trainings is that most of the trainers themselves aren't therapists or psychologists. In essence they have this great tool that can help others but they aren't equipped to use it. I have experience with these centers pre COVID, I saw first hand how many of them operate. Only a very small number of them were being run with integrity.

DONNIE BAHAMA

11mo

I’ve already gotten 2 of my down on luck friends to sign up

BrainWorms4U

11mo

upcoming program next week in austin

Program Cost: $3,995 USD

There are three ways to register for your program.

Deposit: $1,995 deposit first, remaining balance due by the start of training in as many installments as needed.

One-time Payment: $3,995 Tuition Paid in Full

XANTA

11mo

The cult leader when you tell them you wanna leave before you pay the 500k exit fee

ghosting

11mo

sweet script

FKA Tadow

11mo

Expected a referral link at the end of op's post tbh