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    They will still pay for it, so I don't think it's a pricing out problem. Coachella has always been this way, you always had to have the money.

    I think it becomes a problem when everyone that doesn't need to be there will go the extra lengths to go there just for social media no matter the cost, without owning a house, a car, or having a career that could truly show for it. They will use their credit cards or loans just to make it happen.

    I bet you there are hundreds of fast food, warehouse, or retail workers there right now.

    Not everything is for everybody.

    It's a debt problem that I frankly don't think was this bad of a problem before social media.

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    It's always been expensive af

    Truth is all entertainment is becoming more and more expensive. Many people can barely afford to survive let alone goto a music festival, sports event, concert etc

    I went to go see the drama the other night (dates idea not mine) and I was commenting how the Mario movie is out and parents are taking their kids. A family of 4 going to see the Mario movie or the newest marvel movie is dropping minimum $100-$150 after tickets and concessions.

    This is why the internet streaming industry boomed the way it did because now instead of spending $100+ you can spend $7.99 from the comfort of your own home. The problem now is that streaming continues to get more expensive so some people share accounts or just watch local TV. Entertainment of any capacity is quickly becoming unaffordable for most families

  • CGI Dog

    $17 for a coffee is incredible

    $20 for a tall boy at most stadiums and arenas

  • Lord187x

    They will still pay for it, so I don't think it's a pricing out problem. Coachella has always been this way, you always had to have the money.

    I think it becomes a problem when everyone that doesn't need to be there will go the extra lengths to go there just for social media no matter the cost, without owning a house, a car, or having a career that could truly show for it. They will use their credit cards or loans just to make it happen.

    I bet you there are hundreds of fast food, warehouse, or retail workers there right now.

    Not everything is for everybody.

    It's a debt problem that I frankly don't think was this bad of a problem before social media.

    Very Astute a***ysis friend

  • Apr 15

    @op yes, in a very, very short time in fact. Noticed that everything has basically doubled in just 6-8 years, especially post-covid. I saw this for $125 in 2017. you not even getting half these artists today for $300

  • eye contact

    Normal people are being priced out of everything lol

  • Everything needa be boycotted already for a full reset

  • Culling games

  • depressing thread ngl

  • eye contact

    Normal people are being priced out of everything lol

  • Apr 15
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    onedeep

    Caviar was relatively cheap and abundant in the USSR. Communism wins again.

    There were lines for ham and Kolbasa which is like 70% meat at best and 30% soy or whatever, but it is because they just didn't want to eat those kgs of caviar.

  • Anecdotally, it's becoming something Gen X parents with disposable income bring their teenage kids to. Given how much love The Strokes and NIN sets got, I'd be shocked if you didn't see more 90s/00s acts on the '27 bill.

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    Pokerking4128

    There were lines for ham and Kolbasa which is like 70% meat at best and 30% soy or whatever, but it is because they just didn't want to eat those kgs of caviar.

    Unironically yes, caviar was so plentiful that people were sick of it
    gw2ru.com/russian-kitchen/2237-soviet-people-ate-black-caviar-by-spoonful

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    onedeep

    Unironically yes, caviar was so plentiful that people were sick of it
    https://www.gw2ru.com/russian-kitchen/2237-soviet-people-ate-black-caviar-by-spoonful

    Nice for the author of the article to take a scene from satirical movie as an argument.
    Chatgpt says that it was inexpensive in some years on paper, but again hard to get for a normal citizen.
    I myself never heard any tales from my relatives about how they or their grandparents were eating spoonfuls of black caviar.

  • Other festivals no, Coachella (as long as I remember anyway) has always been expensive, in the middle of nowhere and a bunch of money for acts you can see for less elsewhere.

    There's fests like III Points that are better and cheaper, if you want to 'go somewhere' for a fest just go to Primavera for a third of the cost.

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    Nice for the author of the article to take a scene from satirical movie as an argument.
    Chatgpt says that it was inexpensive in some years on paper, but again hard to get for a normal citizen.
    I myself never heard any tales from my relatives about how they or their grandparents were eating spoonfuls of black caviar.

    "ChatGPT says"
    LOL
    Here's a Russian news article about what people ate as kids in the USSR.
    topwar.ru/172167-nazad-v-stranu-sovetov-vkusnjashki-nashego-detstva.html
    The article and the various boomers in the comments section discuss the wide availability of caviar back then. They even had it in their school lunches.
    portals.iucn.org/library/efiles/documents/ssc-op-017.pdf
    See also pp. 45-52 of this document by the IUCN on sturgeon stocks and the caviar industry. In the 1980s the USSR produced 2000 tonnes of caviar per year (!) and only 10% was permitted to be exported overseas. Modern caviar production is only 400-600 tonnes per year worldwide.
    I did an assignment on the caviar industry for university many years ago (mainly focused on how the industry collapsed after the fall of the USSR due to overfishing + removal of environmental regulations). Will see if I can dig it up.

  • You used to be able to easily afford anything being mediocre

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    "ChatGPT says"
    LOL
    Here's a Russian news article about what people ate as kids in the USSR.
    https://topwar.ru/172167-nazad-v-stranu-sovetov-vkusnjashki-nashego-detstva.html
    The article and the various boomers in the comments section discuss the wide availability of caviar back then. They even had it in their school lunches.
    https://portals.iucn.org/library/efiles/documents/ssc-op-017.pdf
    See also pp. 45-52 of this document by the IUCN on sturgeon stocks and the caviar industry. In the 1980s the USSR produced 2000 tonnes of caviar per year (!) and only 10% was permitted to be exported overseas. Modern caviar production is only 400-600 tonnes per year worldwide.
    I did an assignment on the caviar industry for university many years ago (mainly focused on how the industry collapsed after the fall of the USSR due to overfishing + removal of environmental regulations). Will see if I can dig it up.

    I don't see how production of black caviar shows that it was available to general public. About the article, the word caviar in Russian is not even in it and only in comments. Comment says that they live not so luxurious and Grandpa was pissed off when someone bought 100 grams of caviar. So Caviar was in store but I guess it wasn't cheap. Other comments say how they live near see and could catch fish themselves. Nothing about accessible prices.

  • Apr 15
    onedeep

    Caviar was relatively cheap and abundant in the USSR. Communism wins again.

    i believe crab meat was absolutely everywhere and dirt cheap canned goods were everywhere up until the very end of the soviet union. caviar never ever ever cost anything near the equivalent of 100 bucks, even today

    food shortages were created by privatization and warehouse and produce owners withholding their stock because ruble was failing. pretty much the same exact situation that happened back in the late 20s when kulaks would withhold grain and create artificial shortage because they couldnt make profit from selling it. actual capitalist practices are getting pinned as socialism shortcomings for some reason lol

    in a way it happens to this day in all ex-soviet countries where land owners would purchase massive plots with previously government-owned buildings. im talking swimming pools, resorts, theaters, stadiums, etc. those remain completely empty because they cannot find a buyer for this and it costs a lot more to demolish those buildings than to just leave them empty

  • Emotion

    It's always been expensive af

    Truth is all entertainment is becoming more and more expensive. Many people can barely afford to survive let alone goto a music festival, sports event, concert etc

    I went to go see the drama the other night (dates idea not mine) and I was commenting how the Mario movie is out and parents are taking their kids. A family of 4 going to see the Mario movie or the newest marvel movie is dropping minimum $100-$150 after tickets and concessions.

    This is why the internet streaming industry boomed the way it did because now instead of spending $100+ you can spend $7.99 from the comfort of your own home. The problem now is that streaming continues to get more expensive so some people share accounts or just watch local TV. Entertainment of any capacity is quickly becoming unaffordable for most families

    Streaming is a big reason for $150 family movie theater nights.

  • americans get gouged for everything

    look at the world cup ticket prices as well

  • Apr 15
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    Pokerking4128

    I don't see how production of black caviar shows that it was available to general public. About the article, the word caviar in Russian is not even in it and only in comments. Comment says that they live not so luxurious and Grandpa was pissed off when someone bought 100 grams of caviar. So Caviar was in store but I guess it wasn't cheap. Other comments say how they live near see and could catch fish themselves. Nothing about accessible prices.

    Yes the USSR was producing the most caviar ever in the history of the planet Earth... but nobody was eating it because your kulak grandparents never mentioned it. 🤓🤓
    There ARE actually mentions in that comment section of prices, people buying tins of caviar for 50 kopecks, 1.5 rubles, a wide variance of prices. Without the year this is useless info though as you can't compare to modern prices. You think they would be putting it in school lunches if it was expensive and exclusive?

  • Apr 15
    onedeep

    Yes the USSR was producing the most caviar ever in the history of the planet Earth... but nobody was eating it because your kulak grandparents never mentioned it. 🤓🤓
    There ARE actually mentions in that comment section of prices, people buying tins of caviar for 50 kopecks, 1.5 rubles, a wide variance of prices. Without the year this is useless info though as you can't compare to modern prices. You think they would be putting it in school lunches if it was expensive and exclusive?

    reading thru these comments someone talks about people refusing to buy frozen shrimp because children could catch the same exact shrimp themselves for free for them

  • Apr 15
    Pokerking4128

    Nice for the author of the article to take a scene from satirical movie as an argument.
    Chatgpt says that it was inexpensive in some years on paper, but again hard to get for a normal citizen.
    I myself never heard any tales from my relatives about how they or their grandparents were eating spoonfuls of black caviar.

    i honestly dont think youd be able to hear a single somewhat positive story from your immigrant parents about the old country even if you put a gun to their heads. immigrants are famously entirely and completely clueless about their countries and even if they lived there for a while most of them are just projecting their own rethardation onto their environment thinking everyone else is on board with them about it

  • Headass

    paying tens of thousands of dollars to sweat molly out in a desert filled with obnoxious people