“Nothing negative has ever come out of competition in hip hop”

But the people agreeing with OP are the ones who don’t know the history & culture?

Fam im mad at myself for even letting that post get to me lol

Like how can someone say that with a straight face? Lol and some of y'all niggas actually agree with him

I mean I'm all for competiton in sports but I get what you saying lol

Lol and they wanna say people agreeing with you don’t know the history of rap culture but say stupid ass s*** like that. The irony

Fam thank you lol like I know I'm not the one bugging here

Same here b

But fandom can get real weird in both instances b

Nah you’re not but KTT has a group think mentality so no one will call out a stupid ass statement like that

You hit it right on the head. Competition is natural when you wanna be great at something, im sure everybody thats at the top of their field probably felt like they were competing against someone at some point.

Hiphop isnt any different

So if someone at the top of their field said otherwise, would they change your opinion b?

I just think it's stupid for people to make arbitrary comparisons of different styles of rap not meant to compete.

That person wouldn’t be at the top in the first place. You can’t be ‘the guy’ in hip hop without fighting for that spot

Nope

But what does it mean to be at the top of your field in hip hop? Or any artform?

Sales? Cuz if so thats a joke

Grammys/awards? Again

Sold out shows? Respect of your peers?

Like in sports we all know what it means to be at the top of your field. Same with corporate America. But with art thats subjective. Only the actual artist can define to themselves what it means to be successful/what the pinnacle of success if for them.

To some rappers being Kanye/Drake/Jay Z/Em level of success is the top

To other rappers having Rakim/Nas/Black Thought level of respect is the top

So you're stuck in this mindset regardless of the evidence that would say otherwise b?

Cant imagine living that way b

But what if they literally are at the top b and like my mans said, what even is being on top in hiphop b?

OP is looking in the right direction b

Dont ever let anyone make you feel bad for this opinion, it will take you much further than believing the opposite b

So glad I didn't participate in this thread

Everything you mentioned. Like im sure everybody that you would consider accomplished in hiphop competed to get to that point

❤ b

Im not saying everybody would feel that way but I know for a fact that most people at the top of their field competed against someone at some point

You wanna show you are the best and flyest

you probably right i'm really thinking about it too to think of an instance where that wasn't true lol

But I'm realizing I've gotten away from the original main point of the thread which was speaking more from the fan's perspective rather than the artist

I think we as fans should stop treating art like a sport, thats really where I think it can tend to become too toxic

I like battle rap too but I don't see it as being the peak of rap b

True. But this can apply to producers who go to beat battles as well. Although the "how to make it" s*** can be cringy, the music business is still a business and competitiveness is just a part of the game. Even for hobbyists there is still the element of competing with others to be heard even though it is seemingly easier to be on a platform due to the internet it is also harder due to saturation even if there is no one way "how to make it" and whether or not the intention is for them to do so which not only applies to music but just about everything.

I mean battle rap isn't as digestible as regular songs to people in general even if you took the competitiveness s*** out of the equation too tbh