you either do it for the art or for the attention. it’s a one-or-the-other type thing.
I mean not really, you need both. Does Eminem not respect the art because of his joking songs? Does Kendrick not? Does cole not? the list goes on man, all of these artists have done things for attention and made less than serious songs. It's not disrespectful
Not even outkast ?
And I heard a lot of "pac isn't like other rappers, he talks bout real s***" etc type comments
nah like even if someone likes kast they didn’t become rap fans because of kast with kanye people became fans of the genre because of him and then go around trying to police it .
With pac that’s mostly people who also don’t really take part in the culture
u right and it does kinda irk u to see some of those same c***nerd fans speak on hiphop like they know wtf they talking about
At LP2 had some guy try to convince me “Jail” wasn’t the song with Jay Z and that it was called Heaven and Hell
Kanye literally said jail 50 times on that song
1000% he’s the one that one that put Talib and Jay Z non the Dropout
That Lupe verse on Touch the Sky
Put Jeezy and Wayne on 808’s and let Wayne do whatever he he wanted in See You in My Nightmare
Put Prime Ross on 2 songs on MBDTF
Put Keef on Hold My Liquor
i’m gonna stop you right there. you just tried to claim Kanye out Jay Z on. you’re clearly who op was talking about.
Some of y’all reading this wrong getting defensive of ye when OP isn’t attacking him this isn’t the time to be in stan mode
Its always stan mode for ye fans on this site lbs
We really blaming white people on kanye now
the point is that kanye fans tend to be these hipsters that are snobs to anything that isn’t “out of the box” or “experimental”
this throws dirt on literally tons of fantastic albums that have came out in the genre just because it doesn’t sound edgy or different enough to fit their pretentious taste’s sensibilities
I agree with you and OP, don't get me wrong. There is a ton of snobbery in that crowd. I'm just asking what the alternative is. Because I'm not existing in a universe where those tracks don't exist.
Like, if Drake decided, out of the blue, to make a track with Yves Tumor, are we really gonna say that's a net negative to hip-hop, just because it might bring the wrong crowd?
This isn't even my convo to be having anyway, I'm just putting thoughts out.
i’m gonna stop you right there. you just tried to claim Kanye out Jay Z on. you’re clearly who op was talking about.
I said he put Talib and Jay Z on the same album stop twisting my words
We really blaming white people on kanye now
Learn to read and stop projecting.
Isn't OP describing the majority of Kanye stans on ktt?
pretty much, let's be real bout this s***
i’m gonna stop you right there. you just tried to claim Kanye out Jay Z on. you’re clearly who op was talking about.
Put on the dropout, as in the album
I said he put Talib and Jay Z on the same album stop twisting my words
woah, he put two rappers on his album. that’s so insane, only Kanye would do something crazy like that.
Learn to read and stop projecting.
Nothing to project here
We really blaming white people on kanye now
No it’s actually blaming Kanye for white people (non-rap infiltrators)
The issue here is the commercialization of hip-hop and that s*** started before Kanye even got here
nah like even if someone likes kast they didn’t become rap fans because of kast with kanye people became fans of the genre because of him and then go around trying to police it .
With pac that’s mostly people who also don’t really take part in the culture
And idk bout that I seen this from kast fans who were drawn towards stankonia/TLB, specifically 3k and became fans of the genre from such and do the same.
And idk bout that I seen this from kast fans who were drawn towards stankonia/TLB, specifically 3k and became fans of the genre from such and do the same.
lol OutKast 100% brought new people into the genre, we’re just too many years removed from their time for these people to understand
And idk bout that I seen this from kast fans who were drawn towards stankonia/TLB, specifically 3k and became fans of the genre from such and do the same.
The people you’re describing only know like 5 kast songs they’re not running their albums back like that
I agree with you and OP, don't get me wrong. There is a ton of snobbery in that crowd. I'm just asking what the alternative is. Because I'm not existing in a universe where those tracks don't exist.
Like, if Drake decided, out of the blue, to make a track with Yves Tumor, are we really gonna say that's a net negative to hip-hop, just because it might bring the wrong crowd?
This isn't even my convo to be having anyway, I'm just putting thoughts out.
of course not, but it should be made known that lots of these fans that find hip hop through publications or critics, or cross fertilization (like bringing drake and yves together) are not going to have the best interests’ of the genre in mind
this doesn’t mean that it shouldn’t happen, but it does mean we need to realize not everyone’s opinions are as valid as the others if we’re having a serious discussion
The people you’re describing only know like 5 kast songs they’re not running their albums back like that
This just an assumption