that song is 808-bait. it's not that good.

24 and Jail clears it. like i said, it's off the set list for a reason

I stand corrected

cielo drive aka vibe is one of the biggest propagandists of trying to discredit ye from his own music, he's done it for years he'll never be swayed from it. no point arguing

Pascal would've been there if it wasn't for Kanye

The kidnapping and robbery was the beginning of the end for Kanye/Jim relationship

Kanye blamed Pascal for it and turned him into an escape goat and then banished him from his inner circle

Kanye replaced Pascal who was a genuine person for money grabbing yes men who contributed even further to his demise

crazy gimmick

Niggas who think mike dean can’t mix are the same ones listening to AI remastered fan made carti songs made from phone recorded snippets 😂 you guys don’t know s*** about mixing at a professional level

I want you to read that list and compare it to prime Ye features lmfao

Robbery would have never happened if Pascal was there

he was a bodyguard

peso pluma being name dropped as a big get for a kanye west album is hilarious

he's not the only good engineer in the game.

he's replaceable

I struck a chord huh? Lol

lmao like bro thought he had one with that? it just made his argument worst lmao

Facts

nah maybe 1 year ago when i thought you were arguing in actual somewhat decent faith but now i found out it's just a tired gimmick

Kanye stans get really mad when you talk about who actually produced his albums

those guys on that list are WASHED and not in their prime.

Ye don't need them, it's not a decade ago

guys like FNZ and Ojivolta are contributing better ideas

Pascal was a close confidant for Kim

pascal can't make ye treat his bipolar disorder

Does it ever cross your mind that I have no idea who you are but you apparently know so much about me?

Ye’s biggest issue is that he’s not challenged by anyone.

He doesn’t have people that HE looks up to or is inspired by to challenge him as an artist on a technical level. Being influenced by Carti isn’t going to make Ye a better artist and until he gets with talent that can push him lyrically and sonically, it’ll always be a mixed bag of edgy trap music with the 1 or 2 gems

funny you looked over the long list of other collaborators...

stop the cap

i know you for being a constant troll on ye threads, if that makes you proud of yourself go for it

Nigga the guys on your list for the most part are not good at all lol f***ing Chris Brown isn’t washed? Lil Baby is now interesting? Get the f*** outta here lmfao

My man said Kodak Black is better than a f***ing Hov or Cudi

Clearly the industry doesn’t think so lmao go look at his mixing credits for the last 4-5 years 😂

His work with ye and travis that you guys think is so bad made him the industry standard for big releases and he hasn’t played anything less than an arena or stadium in ages lmao shut all the way tf up lil bro you out your element in this convo