And yeah there’s some underhand stuff going on here as well as per usual against Drake being a rapper
If you hold the ghostwriting s*** against him cause some hiphop principal s***? Cool I don’t but respect. But the Drake is pop s***? Aside from the limited frame of reference part, this is classic “Drake isn’t really one of us” code that has nothing to do with music but is played off like it only does
Won’t get into it amongst a bunch of non white users but that should let y’all know what’s at play here. “Drake is pop” goes beyond genre talk
it’s been a way to denounce his blackness since he started lol
Will.I.Am could go back and drop the most barred out album, returning to the roots yet majority of the world still gonna know him for “Let’s Get (Redacted)” with the Fergie n them.
Not to compare the 2 but I can understand why someone would say they make commercial/pop/easy listening music, because they do.
The bars are most likely corny then.
Unfortunately, songs like that won’t be drake’s legacy. And that’s his own doing. It is what it is. He likes singing as much as rapping
I love when Fire and Desires comes on at Bed Bath & Beyond
Drew walls making all his target run vids have Drake songs already taking effect
Paid him to perform while he was coming up to try and give him a backhanded compliment years later prove even those that want to see you win don’t want to see you win more than them
Not asking as an insult but how old are you?
2007-2009 this was totally a thing especially when Lollipop was on the charts
And as great of a pure MC Wayne has proved himself to be, I still think there’s actually a legitimate argument to be made that he’s not hip hop. It’s kind of a futile and pointless argument, but it could easily be made
Some people even feel like west coast gangsta rap isn’t hip hop, mostly because of the content and lack of the 5th element
Niggas really rewriting Weezy history itt, just to reinforce a point another person making. KTT really shameless sometimes.
I love when Fire and Desires comes on at Bed Bath & Beyond
No Bs I’ve heard Fire and Desire in stores and malls more than once, that song is huge. Probably one of his most loved songs
It says a lot that I had to search a bit to find that pic without a watermark
Feel like we seen so many og's give drake his flowers these last couple years that this one actually comes as a shock lol
Niggas really rewriting Weezy history itt, just to reinforce a point another person making. KTT really shameless sometimes.
theres two different timelines. pre jail wayne = maybe a pop feature here or there. post jail wayne = less tapes and more pop features
i still never heard his bruno mars songs
Never heard Wayne is pop. I did hear "Wayne is garbage" along with the memes, but that was mostly from Eminem fans
It says a lot that I had to search a bit to find that pic without a watermark
all that hate he got back in the day just for folks to begrudgingly give him flowers nowadays
It moves from being an art form for the culture to being an art form for mass consumption
Although one can bleed into the other
(ex. Doing it for the culture can mean doing it for your community) at their core both paths have very different results
Hip Hop originally was never about mass consumption but now that is the average rappers aspiration which begs the question is Hip Hop the new Pop
Drake career is more about mass consumption than anything else which makes him Pop
That’s why Mos said it’s Target music
From the beginning rap was fairly commercialized and they were trying to sell to as many people as possible.
I would say Drake is a student of the game and cares deeply about the culture
it does tho
The man has been flooding the market with back to back albums till this day
Clb 2021
HNM 2022
Her Loss 2022
FATD 2023
& there’s nothing wrong with that but for him he‘s constantly dropping because he constantly wants to be in the conversation
That’s the formula of a pop artist
I don’t see that as a trait of pop music though, if anything it’s much more closely associated with hip-hop. Future, Wayne, Gucci, etc. countless names have gone on runs, dropping projects back to back to back that dwarf Drake’s output. It’s not really Drake’s fault that he can do it in an era where each project is commercialized.
Niggas really rewriting Weezy history itt, just to reinforce a point another person making. KTT really shameless sometimes.
I’m just saying, some people even felt that way about NWA. The conversation has been around. And while I don’t think we should be close minded on who or what hip hop can be, I don’t really think we should ignore the standards all together either. There’s a lot of nuance here
When we relax those standards too much we end up with a bunch of non rapping rappers like today. The melodic sing song rap thing that happened in the last 15 years is a new genre to me
Never heard Wayne is pop. I did hear "Wayne is garbage" along with the memes, but that was mostly from Eminem fans
Exactly. Nigga been my favorite rapper forever and I never saw that.
S*** like this
Most of this type of s*** was coming from Eminem fans
Within the actual culture Wayne was always respected. At least amongst my age group/generation