Jan 16I feel like most artists don't even get two cycles let alone two chances to peak. Retaining people's interest is as tough as getting it.
Jan 16
KalmantaAnd his wife.
2003 - 2009 - commercial peak
2013 - 2016 - cultural peak
Jan 16
MarleezyNah, 2019-2023 is considered a down period in his career. He may have still released music that you enjoyed, but it was a decline on the heels of DAMN. and the Black Panther Soundtrack Album
Morale is considered his weakest album but it’s still a classic according to the public and critics
Jan 16·2 repliesDrogonthread makes me depressed, cause not being anywhere near the stature of all-time creative behemoths it makes me feel sad that the best of times are behind me.
It's one of the reasons why I don't understand the mindset of bringing life into the word as their destined for hardship. Most people have kids to have someone to look after them when they get old, or as a crutch to save a faulting marriage.
S*** is d***ed up. On Von
hope you realize that artists aren't the only people that can peak twice in life brother
plenty time
Jan 16
BotneyNobody’s really getting the essence of what I'm saying. You’ll never feel the new album the way you did the first three or four, because those records came with your life.. first love, heartbreak, summer nights, memories you lived through.
The new one? It’s just you in your room with headphones, hoping it hits the same, but it can’t. Those first albums aren’t just music, they’re part of who you were back then.
You’re projecting bullshit onto everyone else like it’s fact. Just cause you don’t like music enough for simply enjoying it to move you, doesn’t mean it’s the case for everyone else
- Jan 16
I hate that ppl do this s*** with music “oh it’s really this and that personal reason outside of the music and the actual music doesn’t matter” type logic it’s annoying
Jan 16·2 repliesMarleezyNah, 2019-2023 is considered a down period in his career. He may have still released music that you enjoyed, but it was a decline on the heels of DAMN. and the Black Panther Soundtrack Album
idk how the biggest selling rap tour of all time at the time is a down year. he literally toured Morale for 2 years
ya’ll just be chatting s***. nigga was headlining every major festival next to his worldwide tour in 6 continents. a down era, wtf you talking about bruh. nigga went to Africa, Asia, and South America! only Travis and Ye doing that lmao- OPJan 16·1 replyValentine
idk how the biggest selling rap tour of all time at the time is a down year. he literally toured Morale for 2 years
ya’ll just be chatting s***. nigga was headlining every major festival next to his worldwide tour in 6 continents. a down era, wtf you talking about bruh. nigga went to Africa, Asia, and South America! only Travis and Ye doing that lmaohe didn't rule the 2022 zeitgeist with his album
- OPJan 16·3 repliesKalmanta
And his wife.
2003 - 2009 - commercial peak
2013 - 2016 - cultural peakRenaissance wasn't a peak?
- Jan 16DStwo
hope you realize that artists aren't the only people that can peak twice in life brother
plenty timehope so bro
🙏 - Jan 16Botney
he didn't rule the 2022 zeitgeist with his album
let’s follow your thinking
did Drake not peak when Beyonce surprise released a week before views and took away the cultural zeitgeist?
Quas ☆Jan 16·2 repliesKanye’s run from 04-16 was something special.
“DONDA” was nice too.
I just feel like a lot of these artists aside from Kendrick are creatively stagnant.
Especially in the mainstream
Jan 16I dont necessarily agree with this i mean u have artists who are consistently good for the most part, then u have the artists wjo sell out or fall off and yea they might not have a resurgence but thats usually because the industry moved on from their sound or fame destroyed them
- Jan 16·1 replyBotney
Renaissance wasn't a peak?
Trilogy era might be her creative peak, but she’s not as culturally potent as compared to last decade with the Super Bowl, her surprise drop and especially the Lemonade era with the trifecta of music, visuals and performances all being 10/10s. We have to wait how she closes off the trilogy this year.
- OPJan 16Kalmanta
Trilogy era might be her creative peak, but she’s not as culturally potent as compared to last decade with the Super Bowl, her surprise drop and especially the Lemonade era with the trifecta of music, visuals and performances all being 10/10s. We have to wait how she closes off the trilogy this year.
that's only because she decides to not do much promo. she could be on the VMAs, Grammys, AMAs performing if she wanted to.
Jan 16
eversincethere's only a few artists/bands that have "peaked" twice / spanning multiple decades
kanye
radiohead
david bowie
the microphones
sufjan stevens
the cure
bjork
add Bob Dylan and Captain Beefheart
Jan 16DStwohope you realize that artists aren't the only people that can peak twice in life brother
plenty timeReal I’m expecting myself to peak in my 60’s prolly
Jan 16Tyler did
Jan 16·1 replyrare thread i find interesting but also wrong, many things are wrong with your statements imo although i think the core of your sentiment is understandable:
1. most people do use music as background and it being "just there for them", and only have a few people they really are attached too - an engrossed music head is actually the minority
2. older people are the ones that usually support the artists they like the most - they have the money/buying power and are usually solidified at that point in what they "truly like" and are less egotistical and less insecure about it on a personal level
3. "most artists dont get a 2nd peak"- most artist dont survive pass 4 years in most genres, its just what it is, but i disagree with the time they peak interest/relevancy wise - most artists peak in the middle of their career, not the early stage regardless what "day 1s" cry about as a minority
4. i feel you are putting to much of your personal self onto the other people's "norms"
5. in general, not just music, you have stronger memories and the days feels longer the more you are doing or trying "newer stuff"- your high school years and college/early adult years felt long as f*** not only because you were an impatient teenager but also because you more open and also forced to experience new stuff daily from people you are constantly meeting/interacting + places, exploration, hobby and job searching etc. the even down to class academics - you can still do this as an adult and some still do, you making yourself stagnant or too consistent isnt a music problem tho and its not the only entertainment that goes "through this self made issue, this is a (specific) people issue
6. kinda related to #2, people also have the agency to dislike or get tired of things, which teens and young adults do very often and why a lot go through trend hopping - average adult gets too stagnant/consistent and younger people move to quicky/erratic - there is no perfect, and why artists should just keep doing what theyre doing that they want and try to keep reaching out to upcoming generations of listeners
7. personal note, i dont love rap like that anymore as in terms of newer stuff besides a few, the genre moves quick and it evolved into something beyond my interest for the most part even tho i literally been listening to it and from a hiphop area since i was a sperms cell, but there are other genres i do still find new things i love a lot and new favs - maybe you need to expand yourself, or hone exactly what you do and dont like to make better listening decisions - also asap rocky is one of my favs since the purple swag music video and i love his newest album, so idk what your later comment about "not liking new drake/cole" means neither - some older people still got it, some dont, its a personal like thing, theres artists from my teen and young adult years that i liked that im still excited for and not excited for - and theres albums n artists very old and new that i first time experience that stick hard with me still
8. personal anecdote, but i personally feel like i and good amount of others connect to music when we ARE going through hard times or having a hectic busy life - when everything is "peachy" i feel thats when i go back to the "same ol" playlist mode, but also imo most people are having some kind of concerning issue and looking for an outlet for it all the time at any age since a pre teen
9. there is no magic moment or demographic for music, and that expands to everything else in life
tl;dr: most people (the average listener) dont look at music this deep outside of their few very favs, and if you are a deep music listener, then it sounds like this is more of a personal problem getting stagnant with the music you listen to that you need to expand - or you are depressed irl on a down slope thinking that everyday is going to be like this and that its always been like this when it hasnt i.e. projecting and over thinking
i do agree stagnation and depression can limit yourself in enjoyment or seeking things out, but that is not a music nor entertainment problem - i disagree with the age/era specifying tho and the other comments
Jan 16
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- Jan 16Water Giver
rare thread i find interesting but also wrong, many things are wrong with your statements imo although i think the core of your sentiment is understandable:
1. most people do use music as background and it being "just there for them", and only have a few people they really are attached too - an engrossed music head is actually the minority
2. older people are the ones that usually support the artists they like the most - they have the money/buying power and are usually solidified at that point in what they "truly like" and are less egotistical and less insecure about it on a personal level
3. "most artists dont get a 2nd peak"- most artist dont survive pass 4 years in most genres, its just what it is, but i disagree with the time they peak interest/relevancy wise - most artists peak in the middle of their career, not the early stage regardless what "day 1s" cry about as a minority
4. i feel you are putting to much of your personal self onto the other people's "norms"
5. in general, not just music, you have stronger memories and the days feels longer the more you are doing or trying "newer stuff"- your high school years and college/early adult years felt long as f*** not only because you were an impatient teenager but also because you more open and also forced to experience new stuff daily from people you are constantly meeting/interacting + places, exploration, hobby and job searching etc. the even down to class academics - you can still do this as an adult and some still do, you making yourself stagnant or too consistent isnt a music problem tho and its not the only entertainment that goes "through this self made issue, this is a (specific) people issue
6. kinda related to #2, people also have the agency to dislike or get tired of things, which teens and young adults do very often and why a lot go through trend hopping - average adult gets too stagnant/consistent and younger people move to quicky/erratic - there is no perfect, and why artists should just keep doing what theyre doing that they want and try to keep reaching out to upcoming generations of listeners
7. personal note, i dont love rap like that anymore as in terms of newer stuff besides a few, the genre moves quick and it evolved into something beyond my interest for the most part even tho i literally been listening to it and from a hiphop area since i was a sperms cell, but there are other genres i do still find new things i love a lot and new favs - maybe you need to expand yourself, or hone exactly what you do and dont like to make better listening decisions - also asap rocky is one of my favs since the purple swag music video and i love his newest album, so idk what your later comment about "not liking new drake/cole" means neither - some older people still got it, some dont, its a personal like thing, theres artists from my teen and young adult years that i liked that im still excited for and not excited for - and theres albums n artists very old and new that i first time experience that stick hard with me still
8. personal anecdote, but i personally feel like i and good amount of others connect to music when we ARE going through hard times or having a hectic busy life - when everything is "peachy" i feel thats when i go back to the "same ol" playlist mode, but also imo most people are having some kind of concerning issue and looking for an outlet for it all the time at any age since a pre teen
9. there is no magic moment or demographic for music, and that expands to everything else in life
tl;dr: most people (the average listener) dont look at music this deep outside of their few very favs, and if you are a deep music listener, then it sounds like this is more of a personal problem getting stagnant with the music you listen to that you need to expand - or you are depressed irl on a down slope thinking that everyday is going to be like this and that its always been like this when it hasnt i.e. projecting and over thinking
i do agree stagnation and depression can limit yourself in enjoyment or seeking things out, but that is not a music nor entertainment problem - i disagree with the age/era specifying tho and the other comments
Jan 16·1 replyJason Derulo peaked 3 times
- OPJan 16·1 replyMalcolm
Jason Derulo peaked 3 times
in me
- Jan 16Botney
Renaissance wasn't a peak?
Artistically, it was.
- Jan 16Botney
in me
COWBOY CARTER was her peak tour-wise, tbh.