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Aubrey Drake Graham.

Giving a random nigga that information is sick

scaring the hoes music can lowkey mean anything beyond surface level it’s fake a misogynist statement that assumes women aren’t as engaged with music as men

while that’s obviously not true, i think it’s easy joke to parade around because men are chronically online. so you get a bunch of men who have pretty “mainstream” taste for online circles (franktyler ye) but have a superiority complex that makes them insufferable to anyone within 15 feet.

People are dumb and still think rock, dance, house music is inherently white even tho it is the complete opposite

Also insecurity and believe striving for diversity instead of sticking to emotional piano beats is trying too hard

they think black ppl are a monolith and arent able to listen to non mainstream rap music

I find it funny that this is a music forum and there are so many ppl here that don’t like when their rap music is too musical

Or it's an actual stereotype that's a joke and you guys are making it into something else

This meme is from 2019

It’s both tbh. Some people will be joking but then you have people unironically try to say something is bad because of what they perceive the fanbase is

Thanks man, I think you’re pretty cool too.

with that being said, i think when black artists make “weird” music, often they’re seen as an academic, lot of white friend types. sadly the barriers to music has increased over past few decades. before the black middle class, thrived with musicians. now we’re seeing kids still have their creative impulses. it’s just all channeled into best making.

from a purely economical standpoint, it makes the most sense. and if you get good, why not tame your impulses to become a famous producer with large placements?

so yea with all that being said i just think black music has and always will be the most experimental (the best experimental artists jn the west rn are black, klein, keiyaa, dean, slauson malone, etc) it’s just easy to say yt ppl like other kind of music when american culture ingrained into us that we are hyper sexual beings who don’t find pleasure in sophisticated things such as the arts, but only thru sex, acting out, etc. it’s all age old stereotypes, that people play into, black and white.

Only feel this way cause it be a lotta mfs who love MF Doom but call rap music that isn’t rappity or super layered in terms of production and arrangement; “basic”

And a lot of em r not black

It happens to everyone though I truly don't get the outrage. Drake fans get clowned for listening to Billboard Hot 100 and caring about sales. White redditors on r/HipHopHeads listen to Death Grips and MF DOOM

it’s def done on purpose by the market industry to some degree to uphold the racialization of genre

simply put, it’s much easier to market when genre is based around race. makes all the number ppl in the labels happy

idk but someone at work said it was white people s*** to like blue cheese

nobody clowns Drake fans for listening to Billboard Hot 100. Y’all were over here making fun of Bad Bunny for the lower sales he had this time around and yall also hate Taylor (rightfully so lmao) so what does that even mean

I'm not in that "yall" man

But I get it cause I make these posts too sometimes

And I like some of the Taylor songs

My point is that every music community gets clowned, unless you guys truthfully think there's some racial stuff going on it's pretty normal otherwise

Every artist you named is scaring the hoes music (with Kendrick it depends on which song you play). And that's fine. Just fine a specific kind of hoe that likes to listen to that s***.

Glad you as a Drake fan acknowledged that every artist gets clowned on here.

I just don't get the point they are trying to make, I've never seen someone be like "black people don't listen to this, they are a monolith" but that's what they're inferring or thinking that's what's being implied

It seems farfetched compared to it just being a stereotypical white thing

The thing with this conversation is that there's multiple layers to it. I see these issues as a couple things going on. One is the white hip hop heads. Enough said. The other is "alternative" black people who feel alienated for their tastes because they deviate from the (perceived) cultural norm or stereotypes. This happens both inside and outside the culture. When it's from inside the culture its alienating and when its from outside the culture there's heavy racial undertones from non blacks and especially from critics who see them as "one of the good ones".

These layers often conicide with another and lead to instances like JPEG mafia where he gets written off as both someone for the alternative "weirdos" (inside the culture) AND swept up and adored by the white hip hop heads (outside the culture).

because there’s racial undertones to dismissing a certain brand of music as “for white people” versus anything with making fun of a Billboard stan