Imagine Logic, Joyner Lucas and Cordae being the faces of conscious rap

I love alot of conscious rap but i dont listen to it often cause its rare to have a song like that be fun to listen to all the time. But that also goes for violent music as well imo.

i prefer music to be fun. the new era im rockin wit are unapologetically internet kids who just be talkin s*** and it sounds good. Im also kinda burnt out on music that genuinely boasts about our trauma.

I think the mainstream is tired of it too. Which is why rap is entering its next phase in its life cycle rn.

Took a year of no billboard hits for people to finally admit that gangster s*** is getting old but niggas itt was telling me it was more fun lmao

Please bring back 2009 - 2014 weed rap, backpack rap, and fun posse rap to get the ball rolling please

Conscious Hip Hop is cool but the sanctimony possessed by certain artists is annoying and a lot of the production is really generic and predictable. It's like people feel they can't make "socially conscious" music without slow, jazzy, sample based production with muted drums. Also a lot of conscious rappers barely know what they're talking about and that includes Kendrick Lamar at this point unfortunately.

M.I.A., Mos Def, Public Enemy, Paris, etc., knew how to make that intense conscious rap that grabbed you. Kendrick does this too, but many others just spin their wheels over bland production (frankly I'm talking about J. Cole and Reason amongst others)

Posse rap aint ever coming back cause K Dot ruined that.

Which is sad, cause THIS s*** is fire.

Ghais incredible

That's why I say Control Verse was a net negative on hip-hop tbh.

No one ever competed on a skillful level after that era

When I say conscious rap…thats what I’m talking about. Why when we mention any other rap subgenre we give it nuance but when I say conscious rap niggas instantly go to logic and joyner lucas type music lmao

Reason is NOT a conscious rapper btw

Says more about his era of peers than him.

lyrical content doesn't matter as much as production, delivery, charisma

conscious rap just typically sounds more boring and unsuitable for car play

Almost pretty much this

Conscious rap puts me to bed I want to feel something

Nah I wasn't talking about Logic or Joyner, nobody really bumping them. I don't even think either fall neatly or perhaps even tangentially into the "conscious" category. I honestly even mean certain Lupe songs (overall he's amazing though), J. Cole, some of that weird conspiracy rap s*** from the 2000s, Immortal Technique at times, etc. It can leave a bad taste in your mouth especially when a lot of this stuff is promoted and hyped up by "conscious" fans so much. Even Common can be cringey sometimes

His verse on this posse cut is amazing might have to put it in voty contender:

Give me 24 hours I can rebuild rome
Give me rifles give me a voice and I can save my own
Give forgiveness give me religion so I can now atone
Lift a voice and sing me a song now I am not alone

I lift and hoist and let that b**** SING if you harrass my zone

NIGGA. WHAT?

I'd love to see him work with Noname, billy woods, Ka, and SKECH185

Yall (if it dont apply let it fly) putting conscious rap in one box but give all the other s*** nuance is exactly why niggas aint bumping rap like that in 2023 rn.

Cause we still aint have no #1s this year.

A few reasons

1)It’s too conservative and follows rules of what “real rap should sound like”. Music is art and should never be conservative especially hip-hop which itself began as a genre that was inherently anti-establishment

2)Production is boring and predictable as a result of the “rule following” mentioned above which deprives the music of entertainment value

3)flows, rhyme schemes, delivery, and cadences are also often predictable and boring (even if they are complex) due to the above and to an over emphasis on lyrical content

4)that style of rap is inherently preachy and no one likes being preached at especially in an era where mono culture is dead and moral judgments, values, and belief systems are largely subjective

5)”conscious rap” is rarely all that conscious. Being a boring and conservative artist doesn’t necessarily make you smart or enlightened.

It’s a difference between “conscious rap” and an artist that has substance. I don’t think someone like Kendrick reaches with the conscious rap s*** I just think Kendrick is naturally a deep person so there is a lot of substance in his music and that’s okay.

“Conscious” rap is great, whether you take that to mean Ras Kass or Noname, Immortal Technique or Killer Mike, De La Soul or Navy Blue, etc etc etc

Just to come at your first point,the best concious rap records have never been "conservative" from Public Enemy-Fear Of A Black Planet to Kendrick Lamar-TPAB,those records sound like nothing else out there. Are you saying that since these types of records have structure and musicality,that their boring?

And then the part about predictable flows,thats just not true at all,its just that,rap is a skill and the music rap artist make is the art. Like an NBA player,they play within the rules of whats considered bad-great,but theres no limit to how great you can be within the structure.

”Conscious” is 9 times out of 10 a pejorative used by listeners to mean “I feel condescended to/patronized”. Why they don’t just say that, I don’t know. But that sense of being talked down to, or nagged, ends up being associated with the topic matter instead of the individual artist and their delivery/attitude, which sucks

”Conscious” is 9 times out of 10 a pejorative used by listeners to mean “I feel condescended to/patronized”. Why they don’t just say that, I don’t know. But that sense of being talked down to, or nagged, ends up being associated with the topic matter instead of the individual artist and their delivery/attitude, which sucks

That’s because the slums are easy on the ears and just a vibe and they pick good beats to complete the vision they aim for in their art.

They can be “conscious” when they want to, but the production, delivery, and flow over the beat is so digestible it isn’t in an issue.

Another reason KTT loves Slums is because they make music that wouldn’t sound great in a club, or a car, but when you chillin cooped up in the house late night they music just hit different.

They make man cave music and I approve , it’s a vibe

had a stroke reading title

He understood the assignment.

Still think this his best album and line of work