well they learned from Beyonce. She's known to not show her personality and be too robotic sometimes
The Beyonce cosign is great, but it's not really "gigantic" like @op said. If this was 2013 or 14 I could see. But Bey is getting up there in age and the new gen would be more pushed from an Ariana or Drake cosign.
But they don't really make the most mainstream music anyway, so they're doing really good for what/who they are
Reaching on the Ariana co-sign..
OT:
1. Their artist development template is more suited for the traditional popstar, where the artists gifts are cultivated, sharpened and the strengths of the artists is used to navigate the *flaws.. heavy emphasis on execution, delivery and presentation. This is when an artist’s showmanship and breadth of their skill set meant more than things today like “engagement”, being personable relatable.
2. It’s hard to market and brand a RnB duo in 2020 without an already established base..nearly impossible.
3. Beyonce is playing the long game.. if they continue their trajectory and get better writers/collaborators their star will be to bright to ignore in comparison to their peers despite their lack of popularity..
4. their particular brand of RnB is too wholesome for this particular era of debauchary.
They would have been breakout superstars by now if they debuted in the early 00s
well they learned from Beyonce. She's known to not show her personality and be too robotic sometimes
The Beyonce cosign is great, but it's not really "gigantic" like @op said. If this was 2013 or 14 I could see. But Bey is getting up there in age and the new gen would be more pushed from an Ariana or Drake cosign.
But they don't really make the most mainstream music anyway, so they're doing really good for what/who they are
they’re building a solid fanbase and foundation with this album. i feel like next album they’ll skyrocket.
They’re only 22 and 20 plus they currently are growing popularity wise as you acknowledged. Halle is about to play Arielle in The Little Mermaid. Their next album should elevate them even more, relax.
one of them is ugly af and that's getting in the way
I just never see her as a character, just a Nicki cameo
she does the amount of personas em did in a whole album or bowie did in 10 years on one verse lol
i respect it
What You Did has done well streaming and that’s an Ella (and Oh Boy) stimulus. She’s doing fine
globally? wow, didn't expect of all uk r&b mahalia would do that. thought she'd peak with wish i missed your ex or the burna song
will check out the song, been sleeping on it
boring pedestrian music, and it's hard to understand what audience they are being marketed to.
They’re pretty successful with their demographic
Not to be that guy but why are female black acts considered flops if they don’t instantly directly compete sales/fanbase wise with Rihanna Nicki or Beyoncé
Doja and Cardi the only ones who escaped it. Lol
They do the same thing to black comedians you gotta be will smith chris Rock Dave Kevin Hart level or you’re a failure
Pretty discounting of the actual urban audience that pick and put these people on to begin with. Black girls I know love cxh or at least I see them posted on my TL and s***. I got younger relatives who fw them too
They’re pretty successful with their demographic
Not to be that guy but why are female black acts considered flops if they don’t instantly directly compete sales/fanbase wise with Rihanna Nicki or Beyoncé
Doja and Cardi the only ones who escaped it. Lol
They do the same thing to black comedians you gotta be will smith chris Rock Dave Kevin Hart level or you’re a failure
Pretty discounting of the actual urban audience that pick and put these people on to begin with. Black girls I know love cxh or at least I see them posted on my TL and s***. I got younger relatives who fw them too
They’re pretty successful with their demographic
Not to be that guy but why are female black acts considered flops if they don’t instantly directly compete sales/fanbase wise with Rihanna Nicki or Beyoncé
Doja and Cardi the only ones who escaped it. Lol
They do the same thing to black comedians you gotta be will smith chris Rock Dave Kevin Hart level or you’re a failure
Pretty discounting of the actual urban audience that pick and put these people on to begin with. Black girls I know love cxh or at least I see them posted on my TL and s***. I got younger relatives who fw them too
They’re pretty successful with their demographic
Not to be that guy but why are female black acts considered flops if they don’t instantly directly compete sales/fanbase wise with Rihanna Nicki or Beyoncé
Doja and Cardi the only ones who escaped it. Lol
They do the same thing to black comedians you gotta be will smith chris Rock Dave Kevin Hart level or you’re a failure
Pretty discounting of the actual urban audience that pick and put these people on to begin with. Black girls I know love cxh or at least I see them posted on my TL and s***. I got younger relatives who fw them too
tbf doja and cardi did eventually compete
but i agree. also ktt goes on about not wanting white opinions, but to reach the nicki, riri, beyonce level of success you need a lot of white fans. i'm sure c x h do have a lot of white fans too, but there are some artists who are popular in their community or country, then everyone brands them a failure for not being stars in other demographics.
They’re pretty successful with their demographic
Not to be that guy but why are female black acts considered flops if they don’t instantly directly compete sales/fanbase wise with Rihanna Nicki or Beyoncé
Doja and Cardi the only ones who escaped it. Lol
They do the same thing to black comedians you gotta be will smith chris Rock Dave Kevin Hart level or you’re a failure
Pretty discounting of the actual urban audience that pick and put these people on to begin with. Black girls I know love cxh or at least I see them posted on my TL and s***. I got younger relatives who fw them too
Popstans don't care about no urban audience, Lauryn hill spoke on this decades ago (about how having a primarily black audience isn't valued as much as having cross-over succes)...
tbf doja and cardi did eventually compete
but i agree. also ktt goes on about not wanting white opinions, but to reach the nicki, riri, beyonce level of success you need a lot of white fans. i'm sure c x h do have a lot of white fans too, but there are some artists who are popular in their community or country, then everyone brands them a failure for not being stars in other demographics.
lol this is kinda what I wanted to say but again I didn’t wanna be that guy that made it about race when bruh coulda been asking an innocent question
It takes a certain amount of white people for someone to universally be considered successful beyond a certain point lol. Which is what it is off of demographics but lol
How that’s the requirement for our stars to be considered stars when our interest is what sparks the flame in the first place
Popstans don't care about no urban audience, Lauryn hill spoke on this decades ago (about how having a primarily black audience isn't valued as much as having cross-over succes)...
Now niggas podding
lol this is kinda what I wanted to say but again I didn’t wanna be that guy that made it about race when bruh coulda been asking an innocent question
It takes a certain amount of white people for someone to universally be considered successful beyond a certain point lol. Which is what it is off of demographics but lol
How that’s the requirement for our stars to be considered stars when our interest is what sparks the flame in the first place
if your music gets played in the households of your communities i think that's success.
i'm sure there's some artists who have bigger audiences but wish they could get played in their community or culture like the smaller acts.
I think anyone can enjoy something and that's great, but not everything is made for all demographics of your demographic. But people constantly s*** on something cos it's not resonating in their world.
also sometimes numbers don't make the best career. a lot of people contribute in influence or setting things up for generations after them instead of having the biggest numbers.