if she can tour and stream albums equally then she's as big.

but it's not even just doing an arena tour, it's being able to tour for as long and gross as much.

idk what the figures are but i wouldn't be surprised if the last trav tour grossed $50m+

i think to be one of the biggest rappers in this era your tour numbers have to get into ye and drake territory while your music is still current. And you have to stream consistently, like Trav and cardi both do. it's obviously about more than pure streaming numbers tho, otherwise nicki is top 4 right now.

where's Kendrick compared to these tho for people? his album will probably be really big, he's still on the billboard 200, money trees gets played like it's a current track and he can tour, but i doubt he's close to Trav, Cardi, Nicki, Drake and Post in streaming right now

Current Top 4 biggest rappers in usa

Drake
Kendrick
Travis
Cardi B

They've done tours where every show is in an arena?

i get your point

but tbh throughout music in every genre there's some artists, that were one of the biggest artists for years but then when people look back they can only remember 2 or 3 songs.

you're maybe making a better case that Trav won't be looked back on as well as Drake.

But he's not reached the Drake and Em level yet. he might be more Kanye in 2005 (ye already had gold digger, touch the sky, all falls down, slow jamz and jesus walks by then tho so your point might be a good one)

you could argue he's 2nd biggest hiphop/rap act right now.

it's not possible for him to overtake Drake tho.

Travis is REALLY well known/popular with avid followers of Hip-Hop and such, but those who aren't familiar with him, he just is barely there.

With Drake, Eminem, Kanye, etc at their primes even if you aren't a fan or follow them much you still hear them everywhere. They were still always in the press. They were still notable for drama in Hip-Hop that made news.

Like Travis is just there. He has not reached a true superstar level to where everyone knows him as a household name, even with all the business s*** he does. He's like Beyonce's branding but without the actual legacy she made beforehand.

I’m exclusively arguing that he’s not bigger than drake here
He’s obviously top 5 biggest rappers rn
But he’s only doing 300k when you take out bundles and drake is doing more than double that

And hit wise drake is miles ahead

Is that possible anymore tho? Everything's changed so much since Drake's first big hits in 2009/10.
Do people look at the newer stars in music like Cardi, Billie and Trav like that?

Look at how unknown J Balvin can be to people who don't care, but the music itself is really big

Highkey f*** travis. He sucks. His music sucks. His aesthetic sucks. And he's a super terrible person. But lowkey I'll put all that aside to make that f*** boy htownwolf bothered. Ain't nothing like making a drake stan sarcastically reply to you over something you dont even give af about

you're testing king of marketing Bundle Scott.

I don't think Utopia is going to have as much hype as Astroworld did I don't think he even needs that now to do big. Utopia ain't selling less than 500k 1st week

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Dude no I’m just saying that was part of what motivated me to make the thread not bc of Stan wars

Drake being a Popstar I can agree with ofc. As far as numbers travis’s biggest song is still sicko mode which has the drake stimmy and is a two year old song. Nothing new he’s dropped has had the same staying power (can’t speak on Franchise yet)

Again I’m not trying to hate on Travis I was just looking for clarification

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exactly

he's gonna end up doing exactly 500k again without bundles this time

Cardi is everywhere, and she has lots of huge hits. She was a bonafide hitmaker and got like 10 hits in 1 year. Not to mention she been in hella controversy (Nicki beef, pregnancy, WAP, politics, etc) There's no denying her peak felt like a huge cultural moment.

Travis has never been a consistent hitmaker either. Like he gets 1-2 hits per year max INCLUDING features and that's about it.

He has never had a Drake/Cardi/Lil Baby/Lil Wayne/etc type streak where he was pushing 5+ hits in a year.

It's all just smoke and mirrors with him for the most part. He has a huge base, but he has not had a huge run.

Yes

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_Spirit_World_Tour

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/This_Is_America_Tour

And he won’t reach that level off the strength of being Travis Scott alone tbh that’s why you see him selling the f*** out with all these brands bc deep down we all know Travis has nothing to f***ing say outside of aesthetics

I don't think it's wrong we assume thing. If we take into the wording as it is "rapper" it's fair to assume Travis is rapping more on his work than Drake..

plus, Travis might be bigger than Kendrick right now because he has much more online presence than him and is constantly in your face all year, that's facts. Kendrick goes missing between albums.

tbh, Antidote probably more popular than any of those and it didn't even go #1.

you think The Scotts is a #1 record? I'd never guess that

going number one just means it was most popular song that week lmao. overall sales says more

Antidote/Goosebumps/Butterfly Effect are all more known and bigger hits than Scotts/Highest in the Room/Franchise.

It just shows he's become way more success/business strategic since then and is also riding by off of his name/fanbase rather than actually reaching new peaks.

Nobody will view those 2019/2020 songs as him reaching new heights in retrospect. Definitely not the way Drake's #1's in 2016/2018 actually were seen as new heights in his career.

Travis Scott is having a DAMN era Kendrick moment where he's the hottest rapper atm but that could all change if Drake or Post drop their new album.

Remember when everyone was talkin about Kendrick "overtaking" Drake in popularity in 2017?

Travis is pretty huge, he’s one of the top guys rn

But like I said before, if he doesn’t learn how to make Drake/Post level hooks, especially important given his pop rap lane, I don’t see him being able to coast on his image and momentum post-Astroworld for much longer