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    I been having this thought for a long while and I have to say whenever I go into discussions about the Top 25 best MCs or I try to write songs myself .

    Sometimes I wonder if writing a perfect hook by yourself is even going to give you more credit as a MC, when majority of the skills is based on the verses.

    Thoughts???

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    The whole song but if the hook is bad the verses better be tight

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    I’m not sure if they can be mutually exclusive. I guess you can have a s*** song with a fire verse but personally I’m not listening if I don’t enjoy the song itself

  • djbdock

    The whole song but if the hook is bad the verses better be tight

    Aite, so if a rapper get someone to write the hook, would that disqualify him as a MC?

  • Jbreezyondeck

    I’m not sure if they can be mutually exclusive. I guess you can have a s*** song with a fire verse but personally I’m not listening if I don’t enjoy the song itself

    ^^^

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    I feel like Jadakiss is kinda the right example for this
    Where it could be said he probably never dropped a bad verse
    But he never managed to put the package together (for his whole career/project wise etc.) to make a case for being even near a GOAT conversation

  • verses are what truly matter when niggas discuss lyricism
    but a strong hook can save decent/mediocre verses
    trash hook can ruin amazing verses

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    1996 BRL

    I feel like Jadakiss is kinda the right example for this
    Where it could be said he probably never dropped a bad verse
    But he never managed to put the package together (for his whole career/project wise etc.) to make a case for being even near a GOAT conversation

    Um Jadakiss being in someone top 10 top 5 isn't crazy or unheard of lol hooks and hits and s*** wouldn't change his rankings in those convos

  • raps2

    Um Jadakiss being in someone top 10 top 5 isn't crazy or unheard of lol hooks and hits and s*** wouldn't change his rankings in those convos

    I'm not saying people shouldn't have Jadakiss in their top 5/top 10 if they want to, nothing wrong

    Don't worry fam we gucci

    Just about how he's a good example of what it's like when the verses are all fire but they don't always put the whole package together so he doesn't appear in the 'universal' top lists

    I don't want to make it about kiss tho, he was just an example I was using

  • whole song in most cases

    hooks matter less or dont need to exist in all cases