Fully agree

We would've never known 530 and Can U Be were untouched if our perception of these track weren't tainted with leaks.

If they never leaked, I believe they'd be received much more positively.

Leaks are ruining the listening experience.

I have no opinion on Ye's mental health or his history of addiction. As far as I'm concerned it's all hearsay and word of mouth.

Thanks. I thought my comment would ruffle feathers.

But it's crazy seeing specific niggas go from praising Donda as being on the level of TLOP or better for a whole ass year then switching it up now that Ye tarnished his run(to a degree) with the Vultures album.

At least I stayed true to my original opinion that Donda was a decent album but not top tier or classic like his others(same opinion I had in fall of 2021). There's niggas here who were praising the s*** out of Donda who are now lumping it in with JIK and V1/V2.

Just comes across as bandwagon hype. I've seeing niggas do the same thing with Her Loss too. Nobody trashed that album on here until the Kendrick beef when niggas started lumping it in with CLB and FATD. Bandwagon s***.

DONDA is an incredible record, and I honestly think it will be looked back on as a classic after it's all said and done. I wouldn't consider it bloated either.

Only 3 out of the main 23 songs are skips and all the pt.2's are just DLC. Compare that to TLOP which has 4 filler tracks and I'd say DONDA is comparatively less bloated than TLOP.

People just throw the bloated label on DONDA because of it's runtime.

See my comment above.

I swear it's mostly bandwagon s*** because Ye destroyed his PR and reputaton from late 2022 to now.

Very few were lumping Donda with JIK/Ye on here without an argument. And Donda's best songs are in another stratosphere than the Vulture's albums best songs.

Niggas in that other thread tried to label it a "bad" album. How the f*** can a damn near 30 track project with only 4 songs tops that can be labeled duds be "bad?" Is the standard just that high for Ye?

It's definitely not a classic imho but it's at the very least comparable to TLOP in quality.

Imagine listening to Jail, Come To Life, Heaven And Hell, Life Of The Party(with 3 Stacks), Off The Grid, BWIS, Jesus Lord(both versions), and Hurricane and thinking "man...this s*** is terrible B. It's only about b****es and hoes and sounds like garbage."

I swear...niggas need to learn the concept of nuance when grading albums. There's a whole spectrum between bad and classic.

For sure, I do think fans have unreasonable expectations for certain artists. Kanye and Kendrick are two musicians in hip hop, that are expected to continually drop classics and out-do their previous work which is unrealistic. At some point their music will see a decline in quality, and that's where we're at with Ye.

Ye-Stans are in shambles because they just witnessed a legend release an album that did not live up to his reputation. Even with JIK, you could give that album the benefit of the doubt. Kanye was trying his hand at a different vibe/genre and was in a different headspace, but with Vultures, you can't give him that same leeway. It's obvious that Ye tried to compete in the current hiphop landscape and under-delivered.

Regardless I think it's corny how the fans switched up after the release of V2. I think V1 and V2 are decent and not nearly as bad as people are making them out to be, but some fans were so caught up in the hype and the leaks that they built up these albums to be some meteoric comeback in their head and it wasn't.

Ye fans are hella butthurt and are now acting like everything post-Kids See Ghosts was mid, which is not true and obvious cope.

Like you said there's a spectrum between bad and classic. A lot of post-2018 Ye falls somewhere in that spectrum, and Kanye d*** riders are having a hard time coming to terms with that.

FOREVER - HUSBAND - LIFESTYLE - SKY CITY - MY SOUL

Damn near perfect run to end the album, even with the botched up Sky City.

HUSBAND?!

Husband is just too good

Took a two week break from Vultures 2

Listening again right now
And this s***
Sounds better than before

Horrible post

Also horrible post

River clears most of tlop

If you had to choose a Ye era:

2004-2013 discog?

or

2013-2024 discog?

2004 - 2013

My top 3 is in there 🤭

TCD, 808s, Yeezus?

LR
808s
Yeezus

8 years ago today i was at the pablo tour in MSG

kino taste

LR is just TCD if it spent a year looksmaxxing

His peak rapping

hug your family, make love, take a trip, eat a good meal.

it all goes by so fast, enjoy it man

Top 3 from Vultures 2?

@SonicSend

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